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To not give DD her main birthday present

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Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 09:18

DD is turning 13 on Friday. We are having massive issues with school attendance. She has anxiety but school have put so much in place to help her and she is still refusing to attend. I've tried to talk to her this morning to be met with silence. I've contacted school to ask for another meeting to try and get to the bottom of why she doesn't want to go. I've bought her a laptop but am really thinking about holding it back. The lack of communication from her is very frustrating and it seems she's not even trying after all the help we've had. Last year was terrible too and I know she has some issues but I feel like I'm being taken for a ride sometimes and she doesn't deserve the laptop if she won't even speak to me. I am very understanding of her anxiety but she also has to help herself and not just hide in her bedroom.

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Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 09:47

Laptop was £200 on credit! Private assessment thousands!!! Not very comparable!!

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Hellodarknessmyoldpal · 11/10/2023 09:48

You don't sound cruel OP you sound desperate to help. Whether this would work or not really depends on what the root cause of the anxiety and refusal is. If you think there's a possibility that she is ND then using strategies to help this would be sensible. Has she asked for the laptop for fun or is it for school work?

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Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 09:50

For both but if she's not attending she won't need it for school work. In previous non attendance I've asked school for work for her and they have sent nothing. I also asked her to do some work off her own back and she refused.

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Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 09:42

I have looked at everything about school refusal. We have been dealing with it since last September. I am a member of that group. We've had 2 CAMHS referrals. 1st one referred us to mind for the CBT. I asked for a 2nd referral when things got worse. They said she didn't meet criteria for their help but to 'treat her as if she's autistic'??? So they think she might be but refused to assess her. School can't assess her if she's not attending school and I can't afford a private assessment. I have bought her noise cancelling earbuds, stress relieving fidgets to have at school and home. Looked at various videos and texts in ways to reduce and cope with anxiety but she doesn't engage. Anyone that says I'm cruel and shouldn't be raising children have no idea of how much I love her and have tried to help. It's exhausting.

You can ask your GP to refer for an assessment under Right to Choose. There is info here - on ADHD website but still relevant for autism assessments:
https://adhduk.co.uk/right-to-choose/

I strongly advise doing this, we have done it ourselves and DC is now on waiting list for combined ASD/ADHD assessment. It's with a private provider but funded by the NHS.

Ask the assessment providers what evidence they will accept if the child is not in school.

Also, absolutely no harm in trying the parenting techniques for an autistic child - perhaps PDA - without a diagnosis. They help us a lot.

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Right to Choose - If you are based in England under the NHS you now have a legal right to choose your mental healthcare provider and your choice of mental healthcare team.

https://adhduk.co.uk/right-to-choose/

vapesareforsnakes · 11/10/2023 09:51

I feel so sorry for that child, she is obviously struggling and you think punishing her is the answer?

Lifeinlists · 11/10/2023 09:52

Saying the laptop isn't 'deserved' at the moment is worrying. So you think she should just make more effort and everything will get better?

Just so you know, CBT can be no help at all in some cases. It's meant to help change mindsets and ways of seeing a problem so that positive change can happen. If you're neurodiverse / autistic - and this can present very subtly as pp has said - you can get into very fixed patterns of behaviour/ thinking which are not really in your control.

Punishment is just going to throw a hand grenade in there.

Raffetr · 11/10/2023 09:52

I don't want to scare you OP, and I know you will probably brush it off because I thought it was impossible too. My daughter was like this. The school helped massively and after a few years she disclosed to them she had been SA when younger.

I'm absolutely not suggesting that particular scenario applies to your daughter.

I'm just saying there's often a much deeper underlying issue.

We just couldn't figure out why she was so anxious. Me and her teacher cried together many times because we just never imagined this was the cause

Raffetr · 11/10/2023 09:53

I'm saying instead of punishing her you really need to open up dialogue and maybe therapy to figure this out.

Tebheag · 11/10/2023 09:54

Are you the poster who mentioned your daughter not going to school but went out with friends and to sports day to watch?

Ella31 · 11/10/2023 09:54

Jesus christ, some of you here are such bullies. It's no wonder Op's rarely come back to update threads. I agree with withholding the laptop , not as a punishment but because she's withdrawing to her room a lot, I think it could increase her wish to lock herself away even more.

I'm a teacher BTW, so I have experience in this. Keep persevering. Anxiety is so complicated and the desire to run from stressful situations overpowers her wish to go back to school. She isn't doing this on purpose but you sound like a great mother who has and is trying everything. Keep working with the school.

Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 09:56

I try consistently to talk to her about what's worrying her and she won't open up. Any meetings we have with professionals she won't speak. I have no idea what goes on in the teams CBT as she says she can't remember what was said and I get no feedback from the clinician.

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cestlavielife · 11/10/2023 09:57

Not the answer. She needs laptop for learning.
Speak to the LA educational welfare officer for children missing school. if in England every LAhas to have one . If she has missed 15 days school she should get acess to small group tuition or home tutors. Find another way toaccess education.
She needs support. Taking things away wont do it.

Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 09:57

Tebheag · 11/10/2023 09:54

Are you the poster who mentioned your daughter not going to school but went out with friends and to sports day to watch?

Yes about the watching sports day and going on a school trip. She doesn't go out with friends

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cestlavielife · 11/10/2023 10:02

try consistently to talk to her about what's worrying her and she won't open up.*

Try speak to a psychologist or therapist ypurself for advice

Kids,rarely answer the question"what is worrying you"
Instead therapists ask other questions sermingly unrelated.

even what was you best holiday?
What does your best day look like? What s your favourite film?
Who are your friends?
Draw your family tree.
Draw your circle of friends.

Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 10:03

We had an EWO who we saw a couple of times at the beginning but haven't seen or heard from in months.

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cestlavielife · 11/10/2023 10:03

Look for some workbooks in the library for something suitable like The DBT Skills Workbook for Teens: A Fun Guide to Manage Anxiety and Stress, Understand Your Emotions and Learn Effective Communication Skills (New Books For Teens) https://amzn.eu/d/g0CHLEU

https://amzn.eu/d/g0CHLEU?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-am-i-being-unreasonable-4917427-to-not-give-dd-her-main-birthday-present

cestlavielife · 11/10/2023 10:04

Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 10:03

We had an EWO who we saw a couple of times at the beginning but haven't seen or heard from in months.

Call them back. Make an appt.

Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 10:04

She's had worksheets etc given to her by social services who I begged for for help but she won't do them.

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SweetPetrichor · 11/10/2023 10:05

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Don’t be a dick. The cost of a laptop is not comparable to private assessment. Go and get your childish armchair bullying kick somewhere else.

cestlavielife · 11/10/2023 10:06

Do the worksheets yourself next to her on the sofa talk about your responses out loud
Even if she appears not to listen

Sirzy · 11/10/2023 10:08

So you’re planning on punishing her for her anxiety? That will simply make things worse.

home needs to be her safe place.

Graciebobcat · 11/10/2023 10:09

You can't punish her for mental health issues or unmet need in school and it will only sour your relationship.

I suggest you join the group Not Fine In School on Facebook for support.

Notfeelinghunkydory · 11/10/2023 10:12

I am in that group. I've got support but I need help for my daughter. School are being very understanding but no one seems interested in actually talking to her except me but then she doesn't engage so it seems pointless paying for private therapy/counselling for her. I really don't know where to go from here

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Kaill · 11/10/2023 10:13

I’m autistic and CBT doesn’t work for me. CBT is about changing invalid thought patterns - it doesn’t work if your thought patterns are valid and correct. Counselling works better but it’s much harder to access on the NHS.

You say you keep trying to talk to your DD and she won’t open up. But the way you try to talk to her is important. If you’re sobbing and begging, or getting emotional and blaming her for her condition, or putting pressure on her to “snap out of it”, of course she isn’t going to engage with that. That’s why it’s better for her to talk to someone neutral like a counsellor, who isn’t going to start wailing because she dared to have feelings, and certainly won’t expect her just to “get over it”, which is apparently what you are doing.

Take her to the GP. Ask for an autism assessment via Right to Choose. Also get her on the waiting list for open ended counselling. And stop blaming and punishing her for daring to be unwell.

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