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To think any parent would do the same? Or am I bonkers

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Doritosandsourcream · 11/10/2023 08:02

On holiday in the buffet eating dinner all I could hear was my son crying walking from the bar with his juice in his hand. I thought oh maybe he fell over so DH went over to him. Turns out that this little girl that has been picking on him for the past 2 days her dad has grabbed DS and twisted arm so tight he broke his skin and dug his nails into him. (German family)

DS has been coming to me about her saying she keeps pushing him and sticking her fingers up since they arrived. DS finally got annoyed and pushed her back earlier on in the day and she told her dad. So dad got his own back on DS.

I ran over to DH as he was shouting at the dad and the dad was just smirking and something just came over me and I punched him in the face.

Never in my life have I punched anyone and I didn’t think about the consequences at the time I just kept looking at my son he was in flood of tears.

It was the weirdest feeling I have never felt adrenaline like it.

aibu? How would you have handled it? The hotel did absolutely nothing.

OP posts:
LaMarschallin · 13/10/2023 08:41

It's just lazy parenting.

The OP couldn't be bothered to get off her sun lounger to actually do something about the situation when her DS told her there was a problem.
So everything escalated until she could show what a "Mama Bear" she was by taking a swing at someone. And I agree with Inkheart: it sounds much more like she did it because she felt the German man was "disrespecting" her more than to protect her son.

A really good, really protective parent would have been keeping a better eye on their child once they'd been told about the incident with the little girl (who should have also been punched in the face by an adult, according to at least two goady posters here).

I sincerely hope (and suspect) this is a wind-up but I'm very relieved that I'm "snobby" enough that neither I nor my DDs have ever come into contact with someone like the OP or the posters supporting her actions.

It's a different world from the one I live in, thank goodness.

User0000009 · 13/10/2023 08:57

LaMarschallin · 13/10/2023 08:41

It's just lazy parenting.

The OP couldn't be bothered to get off her sun lounger to actually do something about the situation when her DS told her there was a problem.
So everything escalated until she could show what a "Mama Bear" she was by taking a swing at someone. And I agree with Inkheart: it sounds much more like she did it because she felt the German man was "disrespecting" her more than to protect her son.

A really good, really protective parent would have been keeping a better eye on their child once they'd been told about the incident with the little girl (who should have also been punched in the face by an adult, according to at least two goady posters here).

I sincerely hope (and suspect) this is a wind-up but I'm very relieved that I'm "snobby" enough that neither I nor my DDs have ever come into contact with someone like the OP or the posters supporting her actions.

It's a different world from the one I live in, thank goodness.

Amen to that

Zebedee55 · 13/10/2023 09:01

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That about sums it up...😄😄😄

Honeychickpea · 13/10/2023 09:34

Inkheart · 13/10/2023 08:20

Judging by what I've read you went over and your DH was trying to talk to him and you stood with them and the guy was smirking and shushing you, and you punched him...

So you didn't punch him because he grabbed/hurt your DS...you punched him because he pissed you off when you tried to discuss it.

I could understand if you had seen him hurt your DS and then hit him, but in reality this wasn't a natural instinct to protect your child, it was a reaction to him smirking at you.

Indeed! What a hero the OP is! And what a hero her child will be as he follows her example. I wouldn't want a child of mine to be his classmate.

JoanOfAllTrades · 13/10/2023 09:53

Warum · 13/10/2023 08:01

So now we have gone from a OP assuming the man did this (she didn't witness it) to you making accusations about how he might treat his family. Nice.
Are we to also extrapolate that the OP probably does the same to her family too, in other words thumps them every time she is frustrated/scared/doesn't parent properly? Thought not.

She might be like that! Who can really say? Well, expect OP’s DH and the other fella's DW probably could!

There’s a lot of assuming going on!

The facts are: A female went on holiday with her family, during term time so saving about £2.5k, her 1 y.o DS is a “handful” (but then some babies don’t like being out of their comfort zone, so perhaps not the baby’s fault), and her other children were having some difficulty at the beginning of the holiday with a girl pushing them. Then fast forward to the last day of the holiday and post-evening meal, whilst waiting for an airport transfer, an altercation took place between the OP and the other fella and OP punched him on the nose!

Yahyahs22 · 13/10/2023 10:02

LemonPeonies · 11/10/2023 08:10

Yes I would. Well done

Me too.

Irismarle · 13/10/2023 13:05

I think we need a new thread about whether small children should be allowed to go to hotel buffets unsupervised. Someone mentioned this early on and I think it’s more relevant than the fact the other family were German. I don’t think they should - with rare exceptions very young children make a mess and are not aware of queues or hygiene issues. I think kids should be at least 10 before going alone and some are not even ready at that age.
I am strongly against the punching, btw.

Jadeywithababy · 13/10/2023 14:41

I think it’s very easy to sit on our sofas and declare that we would never resort to violence - that’s the cool headed logical decision, as I’m sure the OP would have agreed prior to this incident.

However, in defence of the OP, the fight or flight instinct is incredibly strong, particularly with regard to defending your young from predators, because our ancestors were reliant on split second judgements in order for the species to survive.

A lot of people have commented that the child was no longer in danger and OP didn’t actually witness the man injuring her child, but the scene in front of her when this instinct kicked in was her child visibly wounded, accusing a grown man of inflicting this harm, and said man smirking at the accusation. That is strongly suggestive that no only did the man hurt the child, he found it funny. The lack of remorse would tell OP’s instincts that this man has a violent temperament and could therefore attack again. It’s not unreasonable therefore that those protective instincts took over and she instantly moved to disable the threat to her child.

As much as we’d all like to believe that our basic instincts no longer make our decisions for us, and therefore the OP must have been a thug for using violence, please consider that originally those instincts are what would have given her offspring a greater chance at survival, and I don’t think any of us can stand in judgment of that.

Inkheart · 13/10/2023 16:17

Jadeywithababy · 13/10/2023 14:41

I think it’s very easy to sit on our sofas and declare that we would never resort to violence - that’s the cool headed logical decision, as I’m sure the OP would have agreed prior to this incident.

However, in defence of the OP, the fight or flight instinct is incredibly strong, particularly with regard to defending your young from predators, because our ancestors were reliant on split second judgements in order for the species to survive.

A lot of people have commented that the child was no longer in danger and OP didn’t actually witness the man injuring her child, but the scene in front of her when this instinct kicked in was her child visibly wounded, accusing a grown man of inflicting this harm, and said man smirking at the accusation. That is strongly suggestive that no only did the man hurt the child, he found it funny. The lack of remorse would tell OP’s instincts that this man has a violent temperament and could therefore attack again. It’s not unreasonable therefore that those protective instincts took over and she instantly moved to disable the threat to her child.

As much as we’d all like to believe that our basic instincts no longer make our decisions for us, and therefore the OP must have been a thug for using violence, please consider that originally those instincts are what would have given her offspring a greater chance at survival, and I don’t think any of us can stand in judgment of that.

I disagree with some of this.

Yes, OP has seen her child visibly hurt and knew who the child said this was.

But there was clearly in the telling of this tale a gap between DS telling them and the punch taking place. OP's DH initially went over to deal with this when DS came to tell them. OP has had time for her natural instincts to kick in and to rationalise that basic instinct.

However, OP then goes over to join the conversation and what triggers the punch is a shushing and smirk. The smirk in no way indicates he is an immediate threat to her child again (it indicates he's a tosser).

Your natural instincts are only defendable to a certain degree and with the gap in this instance I don't think they are.

PierceMorgansChin · 13/10/2023 17:04

LovelyIssues · 12/10/2023 20:22

Go Mumma bear!!!!

Mumma? What a horrible concoction

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 13/10/2023 18:04

Agree! MUMMA is 🤮 And MUMMA BEAR! BLEURGH!!!! 🤮

lettingtheforumdown · 13/10/2023 20:01

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 13/10/2023 18:04

Agree! MUMMA is 🤮 And MUMMA BEAR! BLEURGH!!!! 🤮

🤣
Not just me, then.

Blueink · 13/10/2023 20:18

CallieTR · 11/10/2023 08:10

If an adult grabbed my child so hard they broke the skin, I would have gone to reception in the hotel and asked them to phone the police. Same as I would if someone grabbed me that hard in that situation.

I can empathise with your anger but responding with violence yourself means you lose any power in the situation.

This

Blueink · 13/10/2023 20:25

Doritosandsourcream · 11/10/2023 09:55

Not really, would you rather pay 3k or 5.5k? Taking kids out of school doesn’t mean your a scruff.

It means you don’t value children’s education and other people as much as getting a cheaper holiday.

It’s selfish as impacts other children as well your own plus the teacher who has to try and keep a large class on track.

cansu · 13/10/2023 20:31

I think I would be supervising my child more carefully especially as he is only six. I don't think I would punch someone in the face. You sound interesting...

Baffled1989 · 13/10/2023 20:47

@Warum what is your point? Didn’t see it didn’t happen? If this also your stance when a child is molested? Bizzare comment!

Warum · 13/10/2023 21:00

Baffled1989 · 13/10/2023 20:47

@Warum what is your point? Didn’t see it didn’t happen? If this also your stance when a child is molested? Bizzare comment!

I've already addressed this silly sort of reply already.

Wait17 · 13/10/2023 21:48

😁

To think any parent would do the same? Or am I bonkers
Yahyahs22 · 14/10/2023 08:21

cansu · 13/10/2023 20:31

I think I would be supervising my child more carefully especially as he is only six. I don't think I would punch someone in the face. You sound interesting...

And you sound like you think you're better than everyone else

MrsSkylerWhite · 14/10/2023 10:51

Firebug007 · 12/10/2023 19:10
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I'd have done the same hon, and after punching him I'd have ripped his fucking throat out for touching my child

Lovely. This thread is really depressing.

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Warum · 14/10/2023 12:06

Yahyahs22 · 14/10/2023 08:21

And you sound like you think you're better than everyone else

How does suggesting people supervise their own children remotely sound like thinking you are better than others?

141mum · 18/10/2023 19:01

When it comes to our kids, anything is possible, we will defend. Would like to think I wouldn’t lash out, but I have done something similar

Warum · 19/10/2023 20:23

Yahyahs22 · 14/10/2023 08:21

And you sound like you think you're better than everyone else

No, you sound like you're making excuses for bad parenting.

SquashedCushion · 19/10/2023 20:50

Your son had been bullied by the girl for two days and you never noticed, nor did he apparently tell you?
What were you and your husband doing while all this was going on?

Hadenough2021 · 27/10/2023 21:36

full blown mama bear came out. I absolutely applaud you and would’ve done the same.

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