Is it offensive to say inshallah?

[Loulou599]

I think it's a really beautiful sound and is more wistful than saying touch wood or god willing, but would it be offensive (if you're not muslim)?

at Least tell everyone on the thread what you claim the punishment for polytheism is

She's already told you she isn't debating religion with you. Could we stick to the topic of Inshallah? It's more interesting.

My fam have wither in ME for many years and use it all the time. Don’t really see the big deal ?

people say OMG without bring religions!

We know can we say

Went to uni with an Arab Christian who said inshallah all the time. Allah is just the Arabic word for God.

Not everyone finds the same things interesting. Ironically, the fact that the majority of you no doubt believe that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same god, with just some minor little quirks, is one of the reasons why non-Arabic speaking non-muslims would use the word and find it 'wistful'. It's funny really.

Merhaba!

Say it if you want to . I imagine Muslims in France would appreciate it

But if you are interested in truly flexing, you should look for the correct pronunciation, it's insha' allah not just one word.

I hope you start to learn dialectical Arabic (Darija): it's hard but very fun

Good luck insha'allah y'a rabi

It’s not a debate, it’s false information and really harmful. There is no punishment for polytheists In the sharia. It’s not a debate because there are no 2 sides. There just isn’t.

Please do say, what worldly punishment is there for someone born a polytheist ?

According to mine here it's a sin and it results in stripping of rights under sharia law until you denounce the other gofa. So no inheritance for example etc.
We, however, want to caveat that with acknowledgement that different denominations of islam look at things differently and have different tolerance so it can be different punishment if any.

So if a Hindu couple had a Hindu child that child would have to forgo that inheritance from its Hindu parents?

im not talking about leaving Islam for another religion, as there is precedent (however debated and problematic) for punishment there im talking for Someone born a ‘polytheist’

The Qu’ran is clear on this - All people of the book and polytheists go to Hell. But people of the book will be forgiven for their sins eventually - polyathiests never will.Polytheism / idoltry is the only sin that isn’t forgiven. It’s why the versions of Hinduism practiced during Persian / Turkic invasions changed in some parts of north India. We went from a polyathiest to a trimurti (one god) version of Hinduism.

@Mvslimah
I actually think the fact that it is used in a religion "that gets flak" to use your perspective makes it even more valuable: it's another step towards demystifying and othering. When we share language, we share perspective

Shtum is in fact originally from German (stumm meaning silent) then became part of Yiddish and has been borrowed in to English too, I am in agreement that languages borrow and incorporate words from other languages all the time, whether religious words or not.

As long as it's not being used to mock or cause offence I see ne real reason why OP could not use Inshallah or the like.

In Islam it's a sin. I thought we are talking islam. There are many polytheist religions around the world. I am talking about muslims. Which I thought this is about

My conclusion from this thread is I'm going to continue using it. I really like it. This has also prompted me to seriously consider learning Arabic. I just like how it sounds. I also really like the sound of a lot of Arabic music

I mean there are 2 Ayat that says people of the book go to heaven but I’m aware this is hotly contested by some more regressive scholars. But that’s an other worldly punishment not in this world

No if it’s the country I think it is - it solely applies to Muslims whose partner’s haven’t converted and whose children haven’t formally converted either (the children of a Muslim mother are assumed to be Muslim).

Hindus can leave their inheritances to their children in all Arab countries including property etc.

But if you are interested in truly flexing, you should look for the correct pronunciation, it's insha' allah not just one word

I was just about to comment on the pronunciation of it. It’s so important to get it correct.

It would be weird to say it to someone who is not Muslim. Sometimes I have had people say it to me and it’s VERY awkward as someone who does not speak the language or follow the religion and has no intention of doing so.

I’m confused as to what you’re saying?

yes to put any other god before Allah is a sin, but someone isn’t accountable if they’ve not received the message (of Islam ).

polytheists aren’t to be punished by Muslims was basically my point.

whatever Happens in the hereafter isn’t for us that’s for Allah but in this life there is no punishment for being born into another religion.

@ForfarBridie
It's hard to transcribe but I have mostly heard it from Moroccans and Algerians and they say it like insh-eul-UH

It sounds like you are respectful of Arabic culture and Islam, rather than being appropriative.

Look you do you.

if you like the language please learn it, a world will open up to you. It’s quite difficult but it’s an experience to learn it, but my opinion is that just to start saying ‘in sha Allah’ pronouncing and spelling it wrong just because it sounds exotic is weird, especially with no connection to the culture or religion.

but as you like the sound of the language then learn, but to be clear you using the word in sha Allah doesn’t promote interfaith dialogue or ‘demystifying the Other’ that’s not sharing a perspective, it’s just using a word. You could read up on Islam if you wanted to do that. But without researching into Islam, I find that perspective disingenuous and kind of patronising. But I really would encourage you to read into Islam, especially feminist perspectives, you might find it really interesting!

good luck

I am confused what you are saying. We are talking on this thread about islam and muslims (and arabic). Not about everyone from every religion?
In Islam muslims are punished for polytheism.
You even said
there is no punishment for polytheism in Islam, so you can’t. to reply to person about punishment of polytheism in islam.

There is no pumisment to people of other faits who practice polytheism but as muslim in sharia law you will be punished as it's a sin