A woman is a woman

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For those who have been following the Tory conference and general themes of their speeches…

How do you feel about Sunak’s speech?

I know there has been a lot of discussion on here from those who didn’t want to vote for a party that didn’t know the definition of a woman.

Rishi has stated clearly that “a woman is a woman and a man is a man.” While I’d argue that still isn’t a definition, per se, he is appeasing this way of thinking.

So I’m just wondering. Is this enough for you to vote Tory at the next election?

Very true!
Labour want better services, history tells us they tend to improve them & the Tories dis fund them, as we ve all seen over the last 13 years.

Labour cannot fix all the problems the Conservatives have caused, as a country we don't have the money, can't raise taxes and cannot borrow, it'll take years but they have to start somewhere.

Having looked at polling, the trans issue doesn't appear to be a major priority for voters.

As said, we all have different priorities, mine is my DD and the future for her, the threats she has are low pay, over work, crappy healthcare, a non function justice system if she was attacked & should she want children, terrible maternity services - all of these have been made worse by the Tories.

The Tory Party. Telling people what they want to hear since 1678.

Never. But if Labour came out strong on the issue, it would convince me to vote for them.

I'd certainly think about it. I feel now about voting Labour as I always used to feel about voting Tory.

They have betrayed women so badly, I feel its revealed a rotten core of misogyny and self righteousness that they need to actually address. Sadly, I just don't think they have it in them.

Over the past four years, police forces have referred 260 “females” to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) to consider a charge of rape.

A further 209 suspects have been recorded with an “unknown” sex, which is understood to include those who identify as non-binary.

By law, rape can only be committed by a biological male.

This has happened on the Tories watch. Why the fuck would you put any faith in them?

So much for the priorities of the electorate.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/07/poll-predicts-landslide-labour-election-victory-with-12-cabinet-ministers-losing-their-seats

I think many are hoping women won’t notice or care

I hate to defend the government, but those are civil service failings of the CPS, I'm sure there's a reason why its annual report and accounts for 2022-23 haven't been published on the gov.uk website.
Read it and weep https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-annual-report-and-accounts-2022-23

As I mentioned in another thread this specific example would be a good litmus test to put to Starmer. As former head of the CPS it's in his wheelhouse of expertise.

Never mind asking what a woman is for soundbites. I would like this put to him and an answer as to what he would do about it given the police appear to have ignored the (voluntary) advice Braverman gave them.

A solid answer may tip me into a vote rather than an abstention.

I imagine Starmer will focus on the very clear priorities the electorate seem to be demonstrating and won't be distracted by self ID issues which don't seem to be a priority for the majority of the electorate.

Hell, no.

you might as well take a poll with guardian readers but you know this op

I certainly know for a fact that trans women are not women as women are female

its not just about this line that will sway some voters it’s that Starmer is happy to go along with identity politics that is the issue. We all know he is a very intelligent man who knows exactly what a woman is and isn’t He could have turned this around but he choose not to which is a foolish mistake

I'm not a politician, I can imagine politicians thinking that way but you may have just explained why people who care about the interests of biological women might prefer to abstain rather than lend him their vote.

Labour are going to get in next election, absolutely. Whether they like it or not ...

Their choice.

I don't think the numbers will be large enough to affect the outcome. Much larger numbers will be prioritising the cost of living crisis and the National Health.

ilovesooty · Today 14:16

Their choice.

I don't think the numbers will be large enough to affect the outcome. Much larger numbers will be prioritising the cost of living crisis and the National Health.

Absolutely. How many trans women are there in the UK? Should that one issue really trump other policies that are negatively affecting millions daily?

They may not be enough of a priority to swing an election but as we can see right across the globe these issues are not going away. Once he is the PM he will have to address these things sooner or later - see Nicola Sturgeon as one example.

If Labour aren't smart about this, as the party likely to be in power for maybe the next decade or so, they will end up carrying the can for it as the situation gets worse.

I don't dispute that if Labour are in power for some time it will have to be addressed. I don't think most voters will see it as a priority now.

If you call it ‘trans issues’ and think it doesn’t impact women and children maybe

If you realise it’s women’s rights and safeguarding for dc, it’s half the population

And as @OvaHere says, as Sturgeon found out the hard way

Nothing, but nothing, could induce me to vote Tory.

Even if only the Tories and Reclaim/Reform were on the ballot, I'd either not vote or spoil my ballot paper.

And again - redefining the definition of 50% of the population ie women to mean ‘adult human female plus men with lady feelings’ removes at a stroke women’s rights to single sex spaces

it’s not about trans people, it’s about women

I am in a safe Tory seat area. At least it was safe. The Lib Dem candidate (I assume) here, has made sure, he knows all about the local area, what things can do to improve the area, so I think its a high chance, he might get in, especially because our Tory MP can barely remember the name of his constituency, the fact that one of the primary schools in the area and the local hospital is made of the concrete, that falls down. The area has gone completely to pot, not many of the usual people on various local politics have much good to say about their party, while not a great indication, makes it more likely the Tory party will be voted out.

However, there is always the hidden majority.

As for me, I wouldnt vote for the Tory party, I am a floating voter and have previously voted for them, but not for a while. I would need to see more on the other parties and see what they come out with, while I am not thrilled the other parties still dont seem to want to define the line of what a woman is, it is not the only thing I can base my vote on.

I have family working within the NHS, my dad is dying, so using a lot of services from there, I have a son, so education is important, along with that is crime, county lines and gangs etc. For us as a family, housing and cost of living, also for me, environmental pledges.

No one party is going to agree with me on everything, but meeting me in the middle or agreeing on the majority of points, is what is going to sway my vote. If there is no one, I shall have to rely on count binhead.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but at least it shows they know what the public want to hear. Until recently, Starmer seemed totally oblivious to how out-of-step his 'it's not ok to say only women have a cervix' -type remarks were with what the general public actually thinks.

Who gives a fuck? There are much bigger issues to worry about when determining who to vote for. People's genders make no difference to the vast majority of people. I will not be deciding who to vote for given what they believe a man and a woman is.

Its far, far more than that. It's not about 'gender', it's about sex. Its about men in women and girls restrooms, change rooms, taking their sports spots. If you you don't see how very serious this is, you're not paying attention.