A woman is a woman

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For those who have been following the Tory conference and general themes of their speeches…

How do you feel about Sunak’s speech?

I know there has been a lot of discussion on here from those who didn’t want to vote for a party that didn’t know the definition of a woman.

Rishi has stated clearly that “a woman is a woman and a man is a man.” While I’d argue that still isn’t a definition, per se, he is appeasing this way of thinking.

So I’m just wondering. Is this enough for you to vote Tory at the next election?

The woman who said she was raped “naturally reported it to police,” Nicholson told fellow members of the House of Lords. “The police spoke to the hospital, and the hospital informed police that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened.”
Nicholson told parliament’s upper chamber that “it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that actually there was a male on the ward and yes this rape happened,” and this only because of evidence captured on CCTV footage.

This is beyond ridiculous.

The tories do not give a tiny shit about women.

Not. A. Tiny. Shit.

They are only interested in keeping themselves and their mates in power and wealth. They could walk up to me, offer me a million pounds and I still would never, ever vote for them.

Exactly. Poverty which disproportionately affects women and children.

So what?

i want to know if Labour care about women, I don't think they do.

Poor women are disproportionately harmed by males in women's single sex spaces too.

Wouldn't it be nice if Labour would go the whole hog and fix this too?

They so easily could.

No. However much I want a government that rejects gender ideology, I cannot in all conscience vote Tory. I was intending to spoil my ballot paper for the first time. But with Starmer's rejection of self-ID, and a vague hope that he might finally be beginning to see the way the wind's blowing, I'm tentatively wondering if I might be able to vote Labour. Don't like Starmer though, even if he eventually does fully recant.

I suspect that if Labour get into power Self ID will as well.

All politicians will tell people what they want to hear to get elected, not just Tories.

Nope. I’m not that cheap a date.

Patineur
None of this nonsense persuades me to change my view. Sunak's been caught out lying yet again over HS2. Why would I believe him on this? If he means it, why has he done nothing about it over the last year?

Did you miss this?
UK government to block Scottish gender bill
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64288757

@Clavinova, why have you ignored the issue of Sunak's further lies?

Blocking a Scottish bill achieves nothing in terms of remedying the current situation in England.

No, it certainly doesn't persuade me to vote Conservative. I am seriously concerned that if they stay in power it is near-inevitable that they will seek to dilute women's rights in terms of things like employment, maternity rights, bodily autonomy in pregnancy, and much else. Sunak spouting soundbites means nothing at all.

I'd rather the rhetoric was females are females and males are males.
The TWAW brigade see themselves as being included in 'women are women' so it's about the perception. We need to hear politicians talking about the silencing, human rights, our right to free speech and the safety of all ages of females. Sunak is just jumping on a vote winning speel. The whole issue is bloody shocking.

I'd rather the rhetoric was females are females and males are males.

Or maybe women are females and men are males? I'm not sure 'females are females' helps with the people who pretend 'ladydick' is a valid concept.

Nor has Sunak.

I meant to reply to this earlier.

If this does not make women realise what we are loosing I have no idea what will, the NHS a national institution was complicit in gaslighting a woman that she could not have been raped because the feelings of the trans woman (male and rapist to boot) were seen as more important than the woman.

Our politicians of ALL PARTIES ought to be be in uproar about this, it is outrageous.

Why aren't they?

The Labour Party ought to be in uproar about this happening under a conservative government.

Why aren't they?

All of this is brushed under the carpet because it's only women being harmed. We are just collateral damage to males.

This is the most important issue to me. Women’s rights once lost will be lost forever.

the government is completely incompetent at every thing else. But Labour will destroy women’s rights.

I really don’t know who to vote for.

A woman is a woman is up there with Brexit means Brexit for meaningless statements.

A woman is a woman is up there with Brexit means Brexit for meaningless statements

Populism. Telling people what they want to hear, to gain votes.

For real.

Sums up how I feel. Insignificant in the big scheme of things and small change compared to the dreadful state this country is in after 13 years of Tory governments.

BIossomtoes
Nor has Sunak

I think he has:
Rishi Sunak has said he believes that 100 per cent of women do not have penises.
By contrast, Sir Keir earlier this month [April 2023] suggested that as many as one in every thousand women has a penis.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-transgender-penis-b2319675.html

Redefining 51% of the population ie women to include men which at a stroke eradicates women’s rights is “insignificant”?

So I’m just wondering. Is this enough for you to vote Tory at the next election?

No, and I voted for them at the last one. He's wrecking our public services (they were struggling, but they've completely fallen apart now). He's wrecking our infrastructure. I don't trust a word he says, the "no decision made, I don't want to rush" turned out to be bollocks when the pre-recorded video was released.

Not that I'll be voting for Labour either, unless I see any sign of a spine in Starmer. It's not just this issue, he sits on the fence on pretty much any subject. His answer to "what would you do in office" pretty much seems to be "carrying on with what they were doing".

The present Lib Dems are fruitcakes.

I can't see myself voting for Plaid either.

So that leaves me with the Official Monster Raving Loony Party as the most sensible bunch out there. I despair.

I’d rather sit on a power sander naked then sit in a bucket of vinegar than vote Tory!

Alexandra2001
So in one interview he said 6 people travel with him...

Starmer was quite clearly asked;

"How many people were there in total?"

The correct answer was 17 - not 6 or 7.
You can argue that Starmer was only trying to conceal how many people were with him (rather than telling a direct lie) but I don't see how that paints him in a better light. Weasel words. Starmer was found out when the curry house delivery guy reported delivering far more curry meals than needed for only 6 or 7 people. Then there's the lie about his hotel not serving food that evening, the lie about the restaurants and pubs being shut - not to mention Labour HQ denying that Angela Rayner was there as well.

the police examined this and other evidence and deemed no crime was committed

Whether Starmer broke the rules or not is beside the point I was making - for whatever reason, Starmer told a string of lies about his evening in Durham.

Plus and its the biggie.... KS wasn't making the rules....

Not a biggie at all - Starmer voted in favour of the Covid restrictions and regulations in the House of Commons - several votes reported here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2021/dec/14/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-the-new-covid-restrictions
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2021/jan/06/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-the-coronavirus-lockdown-regulations