Trump gets gagged, McCarthy gets booted. What's next in Trumpworld?

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Roll up, roll up for the GOP Mystery Tour!! Trump thread lost-the-count!!!

Ah well. I'll stick to knowing how things are going down in the UK and Europe, then. I've said several times that I have seen very good and intelligent analysis on CNN, but I was quite taken aback at what Gen. Grant said, which is what my post was about. I thought his analysis was ill-informed and illogical.

I wasn't wanting to discuss the events unfolding, but the particular interview I saw on CNN and whether there would be general agreement with him among the US population.

Great post, and I agree with all you say.

I, too, avoid commenting on this very complex situation.

Imagine Trump dealing with this situation, shudder

I saw a clip on twitter a few days ago of him saying that Republicans eat their young, no idea if that was real, but it was werid even for the orange guy.

Today's NYT opinion piece on the surreal and dreamlike DT narrative reaching new heights: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/opinion/trump-republican-primaries.html?unlockedarticleecode=0Kw8abI0mehRPoqdqB4wuYiNo5fvvZRHEF12bSFfsrqnwXs3IASDFeayIeIG9MSF9se9mqBQusSydLxzQOpew8DyypC8hwoa6uhgnScsamx9XMHN-Dea0yAXIRhe6SdP22T3kO7shC9IujNs1ldnERvOV2UkOaRkfktAsjeYYsMnBhkpOJCNg3boJoX5yr5R5ovabYePuMmwNMPcOmW2QRtidU3iVC43swcwDp7JZjRuRzLSNQuYrNWd9Bp6yeFpc6mccoanPZRZ75Tq9Az9SirPAKjsYOF6VTJZRUoTyjXUCkdwk9Gb3hkRLXvimG8adpDJWTwsgg_F9CGbcLA8Aw&smid=url-share

In context I think it made as much sense as anything else he says ever does, to be fair. There is usually some sort of stream of consciousness going on; he lives in a world of "that reminds me"s and "by the way"s.

I didn't realise it was part of a longer speech, I really thought it had been manipulated

Has the man never heard of The Streisand Effect?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67123583

@Wallaw said:
I think you might mean retired General Wes Clark, not Grant?

My bad, you are correct (saddo that I am, I made a note at the time). My brain must have mixed him up with that Ulysses fellow, stupid brain.

@Wallaw also said:
even though I might not be in total agreement with them on everything, I'm much more comfortable with the idea of Biden and Anthony Blinken leading international response than I am with James Cleverly and Rishi Sunak. Or heaven forbid, Trump.

I absolutely agree with this.
(I suppose suggesting a tea-party would be in bad taste on this thread, coming as it does from a Brit? OTOH Americans do know how to make good coffee )

Thanks to this thread, I am a subscriber to the NYT. Good article.
They do publish some good in-depth essays. But they are soooo looong, and at present I don't have the time.

The description of Trump's behaviour in that article reminds me, in a way, of the daughter of a friend. She lost the plot after her DF died, smoked too much dope, and started to think she could change the world, and other people, by fiat. What she said was right, and therefore what she said was true, and why didn't the universe pull itself together and start doing what she told it to...Mind you, she wanted nicer things than Trump does, but it was a similar vibe.

I recently saw a clip of Doofus' speech at a recent rally where he went off on a diatribe about 'terrible microphones' and how bad his was, it was on purpose, it was a plot, if he didn't get elected blame it on the microphone. Then it was a beautiful mike, the best mike ever. In between were random sentences about Israel/Hamas (which would never have happened if he was POTUS, of course) and Biden's economic policies (which are terrible, naturally). I swear he swerved back and forth, in and out to the point where I asked DH "Is this double word salad or am I having hearing problems?". Nope, it wasn't me.

I agree with the OpEd. I think he's losing the plot. And I think a lot of it is because his rallies, his SM posts, his self-serving remarks aren't being televised as broadly in the past, whereas his legal woes are top news stories. Maybe things are starting to morph into "If Trump bleeds, it leads" lol.

Are you people across the Pond aware of Boris' Peppa Pig speech, when he was Prime Minister? A nation watched in disbelief, uncertain whether to laugh or cry. So we all decided to laugh. But really, it was no laughing matter...

The irony is that I almost never read NYT coverage of DT because they're unhinged in their own way 😀
I seek a more neutral, nuanced space. I don't need the NYT to tell me crazy person is crazy!
But the tone of that piece was interesting and I hoped someone here might enjoy it.
Also read an article about two families who moved away from their home state to one that felt more comfortable. As I clicked on it I thought, hmm, what are the chances it'll be politically moderate families moving to places where diverse views are tolerated and encouraged? Er no.

Biden was brilliant to take the Dark Brandon meme and run with it.

I voted against Trump rather than for Biden, but I have really come to like the guy.

@Wallaw

Just came to post on the new gag order. A step in the right direction for sure. Hopefully the penalties will have some teeth to them

apple.news/A9WSn7aOsSZ-VaVDdxg7Rhg

Wonder how long that Truth Social account will be allowed to remain.

As I said, it's because of this thread that I subscribe to the NYT (and possibly because of one of the feminism boards as well, not sure). What I saw, when I followed links posted here, was interesting enough to make me shell out actual money, though I thought it a reasonable amount.

Well, my first time on Truth Social. The phrase "hoist with his own petard" springs to mind.

@SequentialAnalyst

That Peppa Pig speech was rather Trump-esque.

But a least BoJo responded to a question about it with "I think it went rather well" whereas Doofus would have said it was 'the greatest speech, full of all the best words".

"I think it went rather well"
This is actually the same as what Trump would have said, only in British English. Masterly understatement is the order of the day over here - and Boris is the master of the glib lie and various other Trumpian things.

@Wallaw I don't actually believe everything I read
I also shout - sadly often at BBC News, on the radio and the TV. I trust ITV more than the BBC for TV news now.
The BBC World Sevice programmes "Business Matters" and "The Newsroom" seem to me to be the most reliable news and discussion sources I can access in the UK at the moment. They are available on BBC Sounds to stream, shortly after they are broadcast, I think.

Business Matters has just told us about Blinken's announcements. He's getting somewhere with the Iraelis, and Biden is going to Israel on Wednesday.

And one of my favourite contributors is on, Peter Marizzi, the right-wing economist, who knows his subject, suffers no fools, and is always worth listening to.

Don't know if this will work. But please listen from the 30 min point onward, where you will find discussion between PeterM, a woman New Zealand journalist, and Julia Manchester of The Hill, who the WS had managed in the previous 30min to arrange to speak live on the programme.

And then, I beg of you, please please listen to the rest of that last half hour. I promise you will be roaring with laughter by the end, and you will hear PM's views on various other aspects of the US as well. Honestly, you will not regret it.

BBC World Service - Business Matters, Leaders gather for Belt and Road Forum

Kudos to Judge Chutkan for paraphrasing Henry ll "will no one rid me of this s meddlesome priest" in describing the impact of Trump's words.

James Comey quoted it as well in his testimony. Trump is known for using this tactic.

He's admired and emulated mob bosses his whole career. His former personal attorney Michael Cohen said that he delivers orders in "coded language" in his congressional testimony. He knows how to skirt the edge of the issue.

In Georgia, the state legislature has created new laws that allow them to remove prosecutors they don't like. They've started to deploy it in order to remove the DA in Fulton County, so that whole case may go away. It's a huge, sprawling case with 19 co-conspirators that will take a long, long time to resolve under the best circumstances.

Biden's efforts seem to have been sabotaged. I am watching his plane on FlightRadar24, heading for Israeil - and I don't think he's one to give up easily.

Meanwhile, why don't they elect a Goddam speaker, and get on with doing some Proper Work

They don’t elect a Goddam speaker because Jim Jordan is an election-denying, Jan 6-enabling, Trump-supporting, subpoena-rejecting jackass who’s too far right for members of the House who represent areas that voted for Biden - not to mention that he’s a jerk who’s got no business in the legislature in the first place and wouldn’t be there without his extreme-gerrymandered district in Ohio.
If they’d nominate somebody halfway decent, they’d maybe elect a speaker people could agree on and then McCarthy wouldn’t blame the Democrats for their own failure.