Trump gets gagged, McCarthy gets booted. What's next in Trumpworld?

[AcrossthePond55]

Roll up, roll up for the GOP Mystery Tour!! Trump thread lost-the-count!!!

@DreamTheMoors I know. My question was rhetorical

These days, people seem to think that being a polician is a job, a career that you choose, a bit like being a dentist or a lawyer. Over here, if you want such a job, you read PPE at Oxford, then get an unpaid intern job with an MP. Meanwhile networking and schmoozing. Eventually you may be offered a practice candidacy in an election, for a constituency which is extremely unlikely to elect you. You keep active in whichever party you are in.

If you get it right, then you will get into Parliament.

It's not so long ago that most MPs had some sort of experience of Real Life to bring to the government of GB&NI. Experience such as having been an ordinary worker who has become active in their Trade Union, a practising doctor, or a volunteer adviser for the Citizens Advice Worker, who will have advised many ordinary people.

People who were motivated by wanting to make things good for the people of the UK, not by greed for power and status (and money - though many of today's politicions already have quite a lot of it).

Between the Middle East crisis and associated diplomacy, and the vacant Speakership, when I read a headline containing "Jordan" I am frequently confused

The reason why we're at a Speakership standstill is, IMHO, the GOP attitude of 'our way or the highway'. It goes right back to the Tea Party movement that was launched in 2009. That paved the way for the 'Power is All' attitude that the point of governance is the ability to thwart the other party to prove your 'muscle', regardless whether their ideas are better than yours or even if you have NO ideas at all. Some may say the Tea Party 'died' in 2015 but in my mind it simply morphed into the 'Freedom Caucus'. The FC philosophy of 'othering', rich = right, and economic & legislative blackmail was then 'co-opted' by Trump as being 'his' MAGA philosophy and he ran with it until it's become the train (and Country) wreck that it is today.

Now the two GOP factions (moderate vs radical conservatives) appear to be turning that 'Power is All' philosophy on each other. Unfortunately I fear that the moderates are much more likely to 'cave' than the radicals. The radicals don't care if we all go to hell in a handcart, they'd rather see the Country destroyed than give up their power. The moderates, though I disagree with their agenda, don't want to see the country destroyed and thus may be in the weaker negotiating position.

Per CNN: "The House is expected to soon begin its second round of voting to elect a speaker after Jordan failed to secure enough votes Tuesday in the first round"

Here is the CNN 'live updates' link

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-race-vote-10-18-23/index.html

The annoying thing is that Hakeem Jeffries has more votes than Jordan, but still can't be Speaker

Jordan has LOST the 2nd round of voting. There were 20 votes for other candidates from his party yesterday, today it was 22 votes. So he 'lost' 2 votes in today's round.

The Dems need to flip 5 votes for Jeffries to win. Do I think it'll happen? No.

(total voting members 435, 217 to win):

Jeffries 212
Jordan 199
Scalise 7
McCarthy 5
Other 10

CNN pundits are opining that there is no way any of the GOP members will flip for Jeffries. Apparently those discussions aren't even taking place.

A GOP Rep on CNN is saying that they could 'empower' Patrick McHenry to be appointed Speaker by passing a resolution for him to do so. But they'd need the Dem votes for that to pass. Highly unlikely as he's a pretty hard line Trumper.

Bloody annoying that the Repugs keep blaming the Dems for the impasse because they aren't voting for a GOP member. Well, Duh!

@AcrossthePond55 I can’t agree more with your post about the Tea Party. Newt Gingrich has a lot of answer for.

I sincerely hope that Gym Jordan keeps getting voted down.

if the Republicans could put forward someone middle of the road, I think they could get Democrats on bord, but the extreme right wing nuts will never go for that.

I think I share your fear.

The GOP is using a 'sapper' philosophy, too. They're trying to put radical GOPs into what appear to be 'low level' elected positions, but ones that have the power to change or overrule election results. This is something that the Dem Party is NOT putting enough energy towards IMHO.

The Republicans have little interest In governing.
They want power and the money that gets - and keeps - them there.
—a former Republican

Born on November 20th 1942 Biden is 3 months short of being 10 years older than me.
Like me, he has lived through many decades, and has had decades to think about what he has lived through. He realises that all most people want is for their children to grow up safe and happy, that the world is a complex place, that wars kill people, and can only be ended if people talk to each other about how to end them. And I expect he is as cynical, and hopeful, about human nature as I am. (Obvs just my take on him.)

He was 20 when the Beatles released their first single, Please Please Me, in the UK on 22nd March 1963. Over here, the whole population of the UK, it seemed to 10 year-old me, were instantly mesmerised, and the record shot up the record charts and got to No.1 in the UK. It got to No.155 in the US. (Check out the lyrics. They are actually quite frank about "necking" as I think you Americans call it But nobody noticed, and John got away with it)

Times were hopeful, and JFK was President of the US. You know what happened next, and over the following decades...

The recent World War still cast a long shadow. Britain had declared war on Germany in September 1939. Biden had just had his first birthday when the US entered the War on December 11th 1941.

Here's a British article by an academic who studies this period
America and WW2: When, How And Why Did The US Enter And Why Not Sooner? | HistoryExtra.

Breaking - Sidney Powell pleads guilty in Georgia election interference case.
Fined Six Fucking Thousand Dollars

hmm her pleading guilty meaning others are guilty by implication?

Plea deal of some sort?

It means she has to provide truthful testimony in any of the other cases the DA asks her to.

They won't have given her such a walk if she had nothing.

Bearing in mind the unbelievable ego of this woman, to crush her into a guilty plea is quite an achievement.

I just hope she isn't expected to cross any parking lots anytime soon.

Powell has already recorded a proffer so they must have what they need on tape

Sorry, just re-read my post, and realised that the title of my link may seem offensive to the people of the US. Please be assured, my only motive was to link to nuanced historical analysis.

Apologies. My previous post in short: Biden is 10 years older than me, and seems to have distilled wisdom from 80+ years of lived experience.

Trump will say he hardly knew her

According to CNN "Powell will be required to testify at future trials and write an apology letter to the citizens of Georgia" as part of her plea deal.
According to Atlanta Journal Constitution reporter Tamar Hallerman, Powell will avoid jail time as part of the deal but will have six years of probation, and will also pay a $6,000 fine and a $2,700 restitution to the state.

The important bit being that because of the probation she has to give truthful testimony in future trials or the sky will fall on her head, according to her friend the wind (who talks to her, as she has previously affirmed.)

But I want to read that letter of apology!

for all. Just to say, still turning up regularly on this thread, though mostly to read: you all get there first re anything I might post!

Well, the latest breaking news (which may not be true) is that Jim Jordan has decided it is too humiliating to risk getting fewer and fewer votes each time he tries, after having been the first prospective speaker in a century to get fewer than 200 votes, and has bowed out.

Good news if so, but who do they pass the poisoned chalice to next? Or as someone put it, who stands for mayor of a city that's been nuked?

Ooooh! Thanks for the 'breaking news re Jordan and Powell, @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime and @BruceAndNosh (et al). We've had the telly off this morning.

Now turning on MSNBC and/or CNN

watching CNN;

*Jordan NOT dropping out
*Jordan allies furious at suggestions to empower McHenry (to be Speaker)

Of course this could all change by the time the commercial break is over!)