AIBU to think the disabled are the next target?

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The Guardian

Though Jeremy Hunt said the government was “not in a position” to contemplate a decrease in tax immediately, he said the welfare budget could be hit further down the line to foot the bill.

He told the Times that 100,000 people a year were “moving off work into benefits without any obligation to look for work” – a sign he said showed the system was not working.

The welfare system had to be a “mix of carrot and stick”, with more assistance required to help people find work, given there was “no shortage of jobs”, he added."

Funny how 'carrot and stick' always equates to 'more stick'.

You know very well what I am saying. Go away.

I’m on disability but not a whole lot and it’s not enough to live on. If I could work, I would but I can see me having one or two good days, followed by a week of recovery and phoning in sick. Not an ideal employee really.

I can’t do any heavy lifting. I can’t stand for longer than 10 mins, and I can’t sit upright for long either. I have to be reclining.

I do wish there was something I could do though

Well I hope their going to pay for the childcare from someone who knows how to handle my children's disabilities then.

It's really unfair.

We should also be supporting community cafés etc who give people a chance to experience the world of work, but it should remain voluntary.

I didn’t say anything of the sort about annual leave or pensions. I never mentioned them.

And community work can really be helpful to many disabled people who can end up quite isolated. Also we should all contribute to society as a general principle but also it’s really quite beneficial to people to do community work.

Equating it to slavery shows you have no understanding of how awful slavery is. You just add sound entitled

Forced labour for no pay/less than minimum wage is not community work

You were just being ridiculous. Making silly comments doesn’t help your argument

But if there is a need for that work then we should be properly supporting and paying people to do it. To say just because they are disabled they should be made to volunteer is wrong.

people may choose to volunteer but it should never be forced upon people as some sort of pay back for needing support

So what does your plan look like and we're do you get the stats from to say that most can do what you suggest?

Again- no one said anything about forced labour at less than minimum wage.

I would ignore Blossomtoes.

She has no interest in having a conversation about "reality".

She trots out the £203/week every single time a thread brings up pensioners.

People like her are not interested in discussing the financial realities in an objective way. They want to use emotional arguments to sway people.

Thats how they get away with this.

Won't someone think of those "poor" pensioners?

Crocodile tears really with child poverty approaching 27%.

Money should be focused on the people most in need. And that is definitely not the pensioners now.

Not silly comments at all, just pointing out the impracticalities of your suggestions.

Everyone's excited by the 15 hours free childcare for children aged 9 months - 4 years;I don't know how many people have worked out that the rule that they introduced that single parents have to find at least part time work from when their youngest child turns 3 will probably become from when their youngest child turns 9 months.

Their moving everyone who gets tax credits and child benefit onto UC and the letter thats arrived has duly informed people they may lose money they already get.

It's ridiculous;people are already massively struggling with COL and are merely existing and now the government want to kick Joe Public even harder.

As for the disabled thing;I honestly think if the government could it'd shove everyone claiming DLA/PIP on a one way flight to Switzerland.

We don’t have unlimited funds to pay people to do absolutely everything we might like done in the community. It’s just not feasible.

I get it from listening to the radio over the last few days where they’ve been talking about Kier Starmer’s ridiculous proposal to remove the triple lock.

All benefits went up in line with inflation, unlike wages, but no one ever seems to remember that fact.

I didn’t make any suggestions that your husband should clean graffiti (or indeed anything else about your dh). Neither did anyone else

I didn’t say anything of the sort about annual leave or pensions. I never mentioned them.

Probably because you are expecting disabled people to be forced to work for no money with none of the protections than employment brings. That's really the point, that you never mentioned them

And community work can really be helpful to many disabled people who can end up quite isolated.

And those disabled people would absolutely benefit from the option to volunteer for something like this if it would help them. Not the expectation that they should have to and their benefits reply on it. That's forced labour.

Also we should all contribute to society as a general principle but also it’s really quite beneficial to people to do community work.

And yet no one is out here advocating for all able bodied people to be forced into doing voluntary work

Equating it to slavery shows you have no understanding of how awful slavery is.

Supporting an idea for forced labour for disabled people shows you have no idea how awful some disabilities can be

You just add sound entitled

You sound ableist

Of course community work can be helpful. If it's voluntary. If it's forced, it's going to be useless. If it's at less than NMW, it's exploitative.

How am I entitled when I work full time and don't claim any benefits? I just feel that work should be paid and that it should not matter who is doing the work in terms of workers' rights. I do not understand how I'm the entitled one when you are the one who thinks disabled people should be forced to work without any of the rights that come with working.

I actually think it’s a reasonable expectation for single parents to return to work 15 hours a week when their child is 9 months, if the childcare is subsidised. It’s less hours than many other working parents do.

So you do want slave Labour then.

Thats never going to work out.

Offering "free hours" when there are less nurseries and employees....

Yet another "lets govern by PR" action by the Tories.

What will happen is a massive level of congestion and problems, driving prices way up (we are seeing this now)

For this to work, you need proper long-term investment.

Like Sure Start centers. That takes time and money to build and develop.

No benefits have the triple lock except state pensions.

Keir starmer has also made no proposals whatsoever to drop the triple lock. However, some pensioner groups are already up in arms as he hasn’t recently pledged to keep it.

But you've just said that you didn't suggest people work for less than minimum wage, it's one or the other.

If the government gave a shit about disabled people, they'd come down like a ton of bricks on companies which them like this:

Home Bargains pays man £25k over disability discrimination claim
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65770209

Disabled bloke working hard in a job which matched what his lifelong condition allowed him to do... and some manager decides to move him onto duties they knew he was incapable of. He had to have the Equality Commission help him take them to court. Don't know if they used an Employment Tribunal, but of course this Tory government have made Employment Tribunals harder to access.

A bulk of the benefits bill is going on those that can and do work limited hours - with UC, housing, and nursery fees top ups.

Perhaps best to concentrate on that before targeting the most vulnerable.🙄