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To intensely dislike Rishi Sunak?

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IClaudine · 30/09/2023 10:03

He has no backbone, no coherent policies (u-turns a dozen times a day)and no understanding of ordinary people's lives. Plus he wears all his clothes a size too small, which really irritates me.

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ilovesooty · 01/10/2023 17:17

Passepartoute · 01/10/2023 17:13

And he would still not have been appointed if he had followed Javid's example in refusing to accept advisers appointed by Cummings rather than his own choices.

I wonder how he feels about the fact that Javid has twice shown the glaring holes in Sunak's standards of integrity?

Well said.

Passepartoute · 01/10/2023 17:19

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:15

Passepartoute
And he would still not have been appointed if he had followed Javid's example in refusing to accept advisers appointed by Cummings rather than his own choices.

I have no idea whether Sunak chose his own advisers or not - perhaps Cummings only objected to Javid's advisers.

Fascinating as it is to have this insight into your lack of knowledge, @Clavinova, it doesn't seem to take us any further.

Any comment about the fact that Javid behaved noticeably more honourably when resigning than Sunak did?

DuncinToffee · 01/10/2023 17:20

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:09

pointythings
You're being silly now. I'm Dutch too

Neither of you are eligible to vote in UK general elections though?

And?

jgw1 · 01/10/2023 17:22

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:20

We should be impressed that the Prime Minister is more interested in the interest of hugely polluting businesses than the safety of everyone on the planet?

ilovesooty · 01/10/2023 17:22

Passepartoute · 01/10/2023 17:19

Fascinating as it is to have this insight into your lack of knowledge, @Clavinova, it doesn't seem to take us any further.

Any comment about the fact that Javid behaved noticeably more honourably when resigning than Sunak did?

Good point. I've been asking the same question for rather a long time too.

jgw1 · 01/10/2023 17:23

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:11

Sunak broke the law, Starmer didn't

That still doesn't explain why Starmer told a string of lies about his evening.

@Clavinova do you think that lying is bad?

If you do, will you join me in condeming the lies told by Boris Johnson to parliament, and Rishi Sunak's role in supporting him whilst they both knew that Johnson was lying?

ilovesooty · 01/10/2023 17:30

You can't defend his alleged decency and integrity or his political record @Clavinova . Just as the other posters trying to define him as a decent politician can't defend his behaviour either.

Passepartoute · 01/10/2023 17:32

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:20

Lovely for you, though I'm not sure why you wasted your time looking when I hadn't mentioned flight taxes or the issue of whether they were imaginary or not.

Unfortunately, however, Sunak's tweet referred to a promise not to impose new taxes to discourage flying, whereas your link refers to him reducing an existing aviation tax. I'm not too clear, either, why you are publicising another blatant lie - as pointed out in that article, Sunak has no chance of hitting the net zero target as he claims whilst he continues to favour the aviation industry in this way. But then, he knows he won't be in power much longer so it won't be his problem.

Passepartoute · 01/10/2023 17:36

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:26

he also seems to turn a blind eye to India supporting the Russians over Ukraine, Russia, a country which really is a threat to Europe an our way of life, not to mention the Ukrainians and the '000s killed/tortured by them too.

https://www.iglobalnews.com/newsviews/labour-has-long-strong-relationship-with-india-sir-keir-starmer-to-open-uk-india-week-2023

Does it ever occur to you that, every time you try to avoid responding to a specific point by posting a cut-and-paste blatant "look over there" attempt, you simply expose the weakness of your position?

DuncinToffee · 01/10/2023 17:37

Rishi Sunak Approval Rating (September 2023):

Approve: 27.5% (-0.3)
Disapprove: 53.4% (+0.3)

NET: -25.9% (-0.6)

Changes w/ August 2023.
electionmaps.uk/polling

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1708489042755563645?t=v6lIulLn08tjXtAaUwI3Bg&s=19

pointythings · 01/10/2023 17:54

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:09

pointythings
You're being silly now. I'm Dutch too

Neither of you are eligible to vote in UK general elections though?

Do I really have to explain this?

Suella Braverman is my Home Secretary because I live in the UK and therefore her policies impact me. Whether or not I have a GE vote here is completely irrelevant to that.

The Dutch Home Secretary's policies do not impact me, because I do not live in the Netherlands (and in the Netherlands one does not vote for people but for parties, so my vote will only have an indirect influence).

I know you aren't unintelligent, so I am going to assume you're being deliberately disingenuous with your post.

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:56

Passepartoute
Unfortunately, however, Sunak's tweet referred to a promise not to impose new taxes to discourage flying, whereas your link refers to him reducing an existing aviation tax.

My link quite clearly claims that Sunak rejected the proposal for a new tax;

Rishi Sunak slashed aviation tax on domestic flights and rejected a new ‘frequent flyer levy’ after lobbying by the airline industry

The Labour Party spokesman quoted in the article (March 2023) is in favour of a new frequent flyer levy/tax.

ilovesooty · 01/10/2023 17:57

@Clavinova you still can't defend his alleged decency and integrity.

Daz57 · 01/10/2023 18:12

You do not get to be Prime Minister of the UK and Northern Ireland by being ‘gormless’!

DuncinToffee · 01/10/2023 18:13

https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1708514468878061910?t=6icnlOwzbBtlGx4jRZizPw&s=19

NEW: The Tories are struggling to find people to fill seats at their own conference

Top Tories are now being told to stuff the front rows so TV cameras have people to cut away to

Iwantmyoldnameback · 01/10/2023 18:18

Clavinova · 01/10/2023 17:56

Passepartoute
Unfortunately, however, Sunak's tweet referred to a promise not to impose new taxes to discourage flying, whereas your link refers to him reducing an existing aviation tax.

My link quite clearly claims that Sunak rejected the proposal for a new tax;

Rishi Sunak slashed aviation tax on domestic flights and rejected a new ‘frequent flyer levy’ after lobbying by the airline industry

The Labour Party spokesman quoted in the article (March 2023) is in favour of a new frequent flyer levy/tax.

Well of course he did he spends more time flying that the Royal family.

pointythings · 01/10/2023 18:18

Daz57 · 01/10/2023 18:12

You do not get to be Prime Minister of the UK and Northern Ireland by being ‘gormless’!

You absolutely do if it's the Tory membership who get to make the decision.

ilovesooty · 01/10/2023 18:19

Daz57 · 01/10/2023 18:12

You do not get to be Prime Minister of the UK and Northern Ireland by being ‘gormless’!

No. But you can certainly attain that office by abandoning any attempt to have any principles, decency or integrity. That is what Sunak has done.

Passepartoute · 01/10/2023 18:19

@Clavinova, are you seriously trying to score some sort of point based on Sunak boasting about increasing aviation-based pollution?

Passepartoute · 01/10/2023 18:20

Daz57 · 01/10/2023 18:12

You do not get to be Prime Minister of the UK and Northern Ireland by being ‘gormless’!

Oh, I dunno. Look at Truss, for one.

ilovesooty · 01/10/2023 18:21

pointythings · 01/10/2023 18:18

You absolutely do if it's the Tory membership who get to make the decision.

In Sunak's case of course, he wasn't elected by the Party and he had to accept conditions from the ERG MPs to get their endorsement.

itsgettingweird · 01/10/2023 18:25

I don't get what you are trying to imply here, clavinova? Care to elaborate?

That'll be a first 🤣🤣🤣

Fwiw it's trying to indicate because Duncin is Dutch and said your that

itsgettingweird · 01/10/2023 18:26

Whoops posted too soon

Said your it was a Freudian slip.

As if it's funny or clever?

But then I don't really think some posters have any real standard of clever considering who they are defending 🙄

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