anyone else a bit suspicious about this nursery whistleblower doc?

[minouminou]

she doesn't half seem to be good at getting jobs
unless the buttons and mark warner jobs were 2 out of many she applied for

i don't for one instant doubt that it's true, and am grateful that i've lucked out with DS' nursery
however, i do feel a certain amount of trepidation about our impending move, which will mean a new place for him, and after seeing this doc, yes i do have worries
however, this doesn't stop me being objective and wondering just how biased this programme was

Haven't watched the programme and my DS goes to a nursery where he is happy and I have no complaints... HOWEVER the real problem here is that nursery work (like all the 3Cs professions: catering, cleaning and caring) is hugely undervalued. Because it's work that is percieved as belonging to women and women should do it out of love and duty, not require money. Jobs that are badly paid do not always attract the most competent or committed people (though many nursery workers are brilliant, work very hard and love the children they look after, just like loads of nurses, carers, cooks and cleaners work f**in hard and go the extra mile for no money all the time) - though, as I say, I am very happy with the nursery my DS attends, I have not forgotten the brief chat I had with his first keyworker shortly before she left the job. She was lovely, DS liked her, she knew what she was doing - but she was leaving childcare work. For a job in Morrisons, on the checkout. Because it paid more.

my instibctis did not tell me not to use ft daycare.cant you accept there are many differentials without judging?

Oh I know! What's worse, that day, THAT VERY DAY, on the front pages of all the newspapers was the result of the inquest/investigation into the boy who had died at a nursery in Hemel Hempstead or Milton Keynes or something from being fed cereal that had cows milk protein in it.

I know that one of the nurseries I looked at was awful. I couldnt understand how parents left there children there. It was marginally cheaper than the one we picked. The baby room was no bigger than 3m x 4m. The floor was filthy, and so were the children. Several children were strapped into highchairs, and had appeared to be there for some time. We couldnt look further in than the stable door. Because the rest of it was for older children. So those babies were in that 3 x 4m room ALL day apparently.

Auntyspan - also I have never heard a mother saying she feels guilty for looking after her own kids - no matter how skint she is.

my instinct's did not tell me not to use ft daycare.cant you accept there are many differentials without judging?

madamez, that is sad, very sad indeed, and also wrong
the fact that childcarers are so undervalued really needs addressing

funnily enough, when I was on maternity leave, I felt guilt at having to leave dd at a nursery because I had to start work. But then when I saw (to my surprise) how well dd was doing at her nursery, all that guilt left me. With ds, he went in no problems.

I think when your dcs thrive, there is no reason to feel any guilt at all. And I don't.

ahhh so there are no dissatisfied mums posting on mn?i must have hallucinated this not all rosy in the sahm garden stuff that goes on

guilt is bullshit
it's something other people make you feel to make themselves feel better
alltogether..........bollocks to guilt!

but then again you have nannies and nursery nurses who really adore their job ....im a qualified NNEB ive been a sahm for a few years now all the children ive ever cared for I still see, they send me cards and i know all their families and siblings a lot of my aquaintances come from me being the childs nursery nurse and i can honestly say i am devoted to any child in my care i treat them as i would treat my own thats not to say im gushy all over them but if i was to seek employment theres at least 4 families locally 2 nurseries and many other places that frequently offer me employment the saddest thing is the only thing holding me back is a salary i simply cant earn what i would need to and provide decent home care for my children.

programmes like this only highlight the bad side and im sure they do happen but what sort of people work like that? im appalled and sad that my profession is thought of like that.

incidentally one of my nurseries wasnt brilliantly accomodated for,menus and faciities were lacking and tbh it wouldnt pass todays ofsted BUT the children in their were loved and adored by the staff so much so that even today we say when we are chatting those were the happy days ....(once the gas man came to cut the gas off and bailiffs came )

all working mums can do is the best they can and tv like this promotes ill feeling.

vvv your experience was truly dreadful and i totally understand your frustration my ds3 also has a milk/wheat allergy thats been so badly catered for i resorted to HE

i agree there, blueshoes
i really see DS thriving at nursery....just from seeing different faces, hearing different languages, different attitudes
quite frankly, i can say that sending him to nursery was almost an instinct (he does afternoons so far), as i remember how much i liked it

NiceTry, what can your conscience possibly be telling you?
You are a "natural" mother, are you not? (unlike me, whose instinct told her that full-time stay at home motherhood was not for me and opted for part time working) You sacrifice self endlessly in the cause of your dc's greater good. What conscience easing could possibly be required?

If you feel guilt, you need to ask yourself why.

Madamez, I agree that childcare workers are undervalued and underpaid - they are doing one of the most important jobs in society- shaping young minds and being positive role models. I agree, some are excellent and dedicated but would argue that none 'love' the children in their charge - 'fondness' is the most a parent can hope for. However, it amazes me that many intelligent parents leave their babies and infants (who cannot 'tell it like it is')with inexperienced, unenthusiastic, unintelligent, illiterate young woman who quite frankly I would not let look after my cat. I admit this does not apply to most nurseries in my experience but certainly more than 30%!

your anecdotal grasp of statistics/cause and effect and nature - nurture is breathtaking

Ms Highwater - I work three days a week.

good for you, dippydeedoo, nice post
that's the feeling i get at DS' nursery

NiceTry, how many nurseries do you have experience of? I thought you didn't use them.

told you, ladies....ignore, ignore, ignore

I have to visit them in my job, many of the teenagers I work with go on work placement in them and I do regular visits. For actual numbers, I have experience of 12 and of those (IMHO ) 4 are substandard.

NiceTry you trash as "inexperienced, unenthusiastic, unintelligent, illiterate young woman" who watch my child are NNeB, NVQ, proficient and four have BA (hons)in early childhood studies, 3 waiting to start BEd. you dismiss at your whim (i expect you to)

i am full of praise for the competent nursery nurses who watch my child - they are fab

Aw minou - give me a chance

12 whole nurseries, eh? You must be right then if you've seen so many.

naw don't indulge those precious moments mutterings

So who's looking after your kids when you are working, Nicetry?