To think this, is how the Tories could win?

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Sunak is setting out his stall as pro-car:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

This could actually swing it for him. People sink vast amounts of time and money into their cars, they're aspirational status symbols. The UK loves it's cars.

They’d bother me. Tattoos serve one purpose only, as Victor Lewis-Smith so rightly said: a leper’s bell of the terminally stupid.

There’s no point getting annoyed because a simple question can’t be answered

The flow of people is increasing each year

We are not alone in finding it hard. Look at the EU, France says no, Germany too, and others who have been no for longer

Lampedusa citizens turned back a shipment with supplies refusing to become a military zone

As much as people don’t want to talk about it, this issue will grow.

Seriously?

Glad some nhs doctors would be freed up then by people who don't want to be treated by them due to having a tattoo.

I don't have any but couldn't give a shit that someone competent enough to save my life might🤷‍♀️

It’s not just the U.K. it’s worth looking at the shift in formerly accepting countries

“[We] will not take in migrants,” French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin told national TV channel TF1 on Tuesday. “It’s not by taking in more people that we’re going to stem a flow that obviously affects our ability to integrate [them into French society],” he said.

Darmanin’s words come at a time where immigration has once again taken centre stage in French politics. As the country’s hung parliament wrangles over a draft law governing new arrivals, President Emmanuel Macron has evoked a possible referendum on the topic.

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Would a lawyer or doctor covered in tattoos offend you as much

Probably - yes.

The standard of accommodation looked visually fine to me

When 50k refugees are looking to cross the channel in a year, the threat of sending 200 to a barge will not deter anyone, that was the whole idea, a deterrent, it just doesn’t stand up to the reality of the situation. So you’re achieving zero, people will not be deterred and you have spent a whole lot of money on nothing.

We need a joined up approach to this, but the answer is not anything the Tories have put forward- that’s only there to whip up division and amplify the problems, as well as enrich a few of the right people along the way.

A good start would be not telling your neighbours to fuck off, as the U.K. govt has effectively done in the last few years. So a new approach with a new leader can only be good. It can’t get much worse.

These threads are hilarious. The bien pensants of MN are never affected by immigration. You sit in your leafy suburbs and London 'good areas' without a care in the world.

I live in the Fens where arable farmers are in despair because they can’t get the labour to harvest their crops. There were fields of brassicas rotting last winter, meanwhile food prices were going through the roof.

You sit in your leafy suburbs and London 'good areas' without a care

Yeah I’m sat here in my woke pyjamas eating avocados on toast while waiting for my dds nanny to put her to bed. That’s it isn’t it🙄

You couldn't care less about farmers. We all voted for Brexit... except we didn't

I think the world is changing pretty quickly, in 2016 I had very different views

More recently I started reading and hearing about large scale movement of people and thought it would strain citizens and relations between countries

I can’t say what is happening now isn’t that starting to occur. Read up on the EU and the no to Italy, what then? I don’t know what the French referendum is on but we could start to see swift change

Has Blossom claimed that all farmers voted for Brexit? I seem to remember you both on the Brexit threads so I can't imagine her saying that.

I didn’t. I never entertained voting anything but remain. And of course I care about the farmers, I live in a farming community - why wouldn’t I?

Wouldn't it make more sense then that countries cooperate and find solutions. Having a functioning asylum system would be far better than deporting people to Rwanda or housing them in hotels and barges.

Climate change is real, wanting to protect motorist and fuel fossils is not the way forward.

Way too sensible Duncin.

All countries would need to say yes. I think people are generally welcoming and the structures worked well when it was created but we may see a tipping point

Take France who have just said no. If there’s a referendum we’ll see where that goes

But if you do want a plan then you’ve got to be able to be upfront about numbers. Let people get their heads around what the reality would be

It can’t just be we won’t talk about that part.

It's difficult to talk numbers when your Home Secretary makes them up for scaremongering and the Leader of the Opposition gets accused of an open door system

🙄 at ‘your’. It still means someone has to get real on numbers.

And your political party got knocked back recently in EU for flakey returns programme. Deluded was the word. It seems other countries are more realistic about what’s happening,

Whatever is said this issue is not going away. As much as posters want something that is not possible there’s no sunshine and roses option. if they looked outside the U.K. they’d see what I thought would happen already is.

There’s no neat and easy way to let people move and then shut off the flow.

Your as in this country's Home Secretary, yours and mine

Not sure what my party is as Ii am not a member of any political party.

And I agree, the refugee issue will not go away.

@EasternStandard ’your political party’. It’s not like a football match is it ? My side, your side, sticking with the same bunch however abysmal they are. More’s the pity that people like you treat it that way. I’d be quite worried about how extreme your politics are becoming. Maybe stick to the FWR board from now on.

@EasternStandard processing applications means we can return and deport those who don't meet the criteria. It's what we used to do before Tories decided they could no longer be bothered and decided to put them in hotels instead. At great cost to the tax payers and our tourism industry.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/deportation-and-voluntary-departure-from-the-uk/

Because that’s so easy just process, do adequate background checks and security clearance on tens of thousands isn’t it 🙄

I don't!

I live in Bravermans town where it has become unrecognisable in the past few years because she only visits the rich part.

We also have an immigration centre in the next town.

I live 200m from the estate branded the worst in the U.K. a number of years ago.

Wouldn't it make more sense then that countries cooperate and find solutions. Having a functioning asylum system would be far better than deporting people to Rwanda or housing them in hotels and barges.

Climate change is real, wanting to protect motorist and fuel fossils is not the way forward.

You'd think! But we need to protect motorists and fly planes to Rwanda 🙄

All the while complaining the results if those decisions are causing us problems we don't like.

Because that’s so easy just process, do adequate background checks and security clearance on tens of thousands isn’t it 🙄

Well it definitely gets harder when you've spent years doing nothing about it, reducing the number of people working in the role and spending millions on stupid headline responses that only are designed for 200 migrants at a time.

Not to forget doing this whilst simultaneously lying about the facts and figures to incite hated against asylum seekers rather than doing something about the problem.

We wouldn't be in this situation if the Tory's hadn't created such a backlog and wasted millions achieving nothing.

No one denies the problem has and is and will get worse. But it won't be solved by semantic word play.