To think this, is how the Tories could win?

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Sunak is setting out his stall as pro-car:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

This could actually swing it for him. People sink vast amounts of time and money into their cars, they're aspirational status symbols. The UK loves it's cars.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/conservative-activists-rishi-sunak-election-defeat-leaked-messages-b1110521.html

Looked visually fine to you

You got that wong then.

Would you like a barge like that in your town?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-tory-conference-election-labour-polls-b2421563.html

Numbers are going up each year not just to here

Look at the Med and Lampedusa

There is no reason making it easier once here would decrease crossings, why would it?

Ruling one was yes btw but then appealed. At this point one judge is a no, but rest have been yes

On 19 December 2022, the High Court ruled in the case of AAA and others v Secretary of State for the Home Department that the government’s plan to deport migrants to Rwanda is lawful.

Exactly. Huge costs have gone into this and we've gained nothing.

We've a backlog that still needs funding to sort out.

We are paying to house people who could and want to work and pay into the system.

None of it makes sense other than to the Tory donors who are benefitting from their schemes and the few right wing Tory's who's vote they will keep.

Sadly though this has become another black/white partisan headline discussion.

If you don't agree with Rwanda scheme you want unlimited immigration and are a lefty. No one's allowed to be concerned about the spending not achieving anything and agreeing we need to do something to stop this smuggling trade.

I also had no issue with the barge if it was suitable, safe, provided a human rights standard of living and provided education and training etc.

I have a MASSIVE issue with over crowding, lack of fire safety, legionnaires and the fact we are finding the barge, the necessary fixes AND alternative accommodation.

In summary - I have a massive issue with them wasting my taxes on headline vote attempt winners that persecute desperate people and achieve NOTHING.

I think we might have some water.

I have been repeatedly told on MN that Australia's policies hold the solution. Funnily enough they never mention the pushbacks - they only focus on the off shore processing.
I am well aware that push backs are not practical or advisable in the Channel.

Thanks for this. That's the sort of information we need the public to see.

Headlines and wasting tax payers money don't stop smugglers and people traffickers.

Treating people seeking asylum from persecution as people and processing claims humanly stops them AND provides a working population paying into the country.

None of it makes sense other than to the Tory donors who are benefitting

Bingo.

Welcome to U.K., 2023. Dreamy isn’t it.

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How do you stop people?

As U.K. seems to be a more emotive issue how would you deal with Lampedusa and 7000 in 24 hours

What would you do if that continued and increased?

I mean people can say we’ll accommodate everyone coming but do you get to a point where you think there may be strain?

Elections are won and lost on the economy, not by manufactured culture wars.

People vote with their wallets.

I don't accept it because it's utter nonsense.

You must be driving really crap cars if they have an auto that can't cope with 20mph.

Nah. You’re just talking crap.

DuncinToffee
Looked visually fine to you

Inside I meant.

Would you like a barge like that in your town?

No, I wouldn't - but then I wouldn't want to live near an asylum hotel, next door to a group of Eastern European factory workers, or a British builder with lots of tattoos either. I'm a self-confessed snob and NIMBY.

"I mean people can say we’ll accommodate everyone coming but do you get to a point where you think there may be strain?"

So frustrating. Nobody is suggesting this. Just asking for cost effective, practical workable policies.

No I won't name numbers - I know that's a Tory voters knee jerk question to divert attention.

We pay - we've paid for 13 years - the Government to acknowledge reality & come up with sensible solutions. They should be taking advice and providing practical solutions, not sops to placate their base.

Eastern** you can process claims before the need to risk life. If people didn't need to cross the channel to claim asylum there would be no business selling this option.

I don't claim to have a simple solution or all the answers.

But I'll never agree wasting tax payers money achieving nothing but more asylum seekers is a workable policy when it achieves the absolute opposite of stopping the boats.

itsgettingweird
We are paying to house people who could and want to work and pay into the system

Do you have any stats on success rates for refugees getting in to work? What percentage have full-time jobs after 2 years? 5 years?

Nope Volvo XC 60 It's not that the car can't do it it's that you have to focus on sticking to 20 mp h and not drop to 15 mph which is too slow and pisses other drivers. We've got lots of Twenty is Plenty zones here in Scotland. I'd be really annoyed if I got fined for going at 22 mph. We're in the country and the problem isn't people like me. It's young men driving at 80 round bends and over turning and crashing. Twats like Drakeford will never stop that.

Would a lawyer or doctor covered in tattoos offend you as much 🤣

Didn't you share an article from Germany on that recently, quite an uplifting article I seem to remember

I'd love to know about this as well.

Nope. Three month old Toyota Corolla hybrid. It’s nothing to do with the car being crap and everything to do with the way the gearbox is set.

No I don't.

But considering much of the Tory parties campaigning in th roast has been about forinors nicking jobs from the British I'm assuming it must be quite high?

Unless of course they were lying again for headlines