To think this, is how the Tories could win?

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Sunak is setting out his stall as pro-car:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

This could actually swing it for him. People sink vast amounts of time and money into their cars, they're aspirational status symbols. The UK loves it's cars.

No. You have a scattergun approach in your posts throwing out sound bites and spin whereas most people are trying to have an informed debate.

No overall control means no winners and no losers. But you know that, don’t you? I’d be embarrassed if I were you.

Labour were booted out and none of us can forget their financial ineptitude. We should never vote for them again, we simply can not afford to crash the economy again.

But Labour didn’t win did they??

Labour lost.

Unlike Truss and the Tories?

Surely the simple truths are that: the Tories have no hope of winning the next GE; the best they can do now is damage limitation; Labour’s majority will be so big that they will get two terms at least; over that time Labour will face all the problems confronting the UK and world economy now; people will come to see that Labour have no better prospects of improving life in the UK than any other party.

Two issues in particular will be difficult for Labour. One is their supporters’ (or most supporters’) clamour for re-joining or effectively re-joining the EU. That is politically very difficult to manage. The other is unplanned immigration. No government can do anything about that and - rightly or wrongly - it does damage any hapless looking government, as we see today.

Stale government will nearly always lose.

On personalities, I suspect Starmer will end up like Major. A decent man, underestimated, but very dull, and the effect of ridicule will corrode his leadership.

I’m fine with facts and economic analysis

It’s the main reason I’m drawn to political threads. Sometimes they don’t get that sensible but if they can I’ll post

Creepy. Stop talking to me.

The last time I checked the conservatives were still in government 🤷🏼‍♀️

I’m not aware of anything from Labour suggesting that they agree with the Welsh Assembly on this issue, or are even considering implementing something similar in England. I’m also not aware of any council outside London that has expressed any interest whatsoever in implement this kind of policy (unsurprisingly, since the 20 mile limit policy is so manifestly stupid).

Why don’t they just come out and say that they won’t be doing this but that there is no need for a ban as it’s up to local councils what speed limits they implement on their own local streets for which they are accountable?

Mark Harper was cringingly embarrassing on the Today programme this morning. Anyone with more than 2 brain cells should be able to see that there is no problem to solve in England on this issue. He must have an extraordinarily low opinion of the electorate.

You conveniently forget to mention that the financial crash 2007-2012 was a worldwide issue affecting most Western economies due to 20 years of very cheap global money supply.

It was not therefore down to a UK Labour government operating in its own vacuum. Look at Spain (25% unemployment) and Greece, as prime examples.

Over that 20 year period government of both left and right leaning in G20 countries and elsewhere over borrowed because the supply of cheap money was simply available.

And the last time I looked they crashed the economy big time

I am a swing voter. I voted for Labour and would do so again if they had an intelligent, charismatic leader and a competent shadow cabinet, with ideas and policies I agreed with, but they don’t. They fall short in every single area.

So what would your Labour Government do?

What on earth are you talking about? The economy is growing, we have millions of jobs!

You just make this stuff up out of nowhere. The British economy is doing exceptionally well:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-and-germany-as-economic-growth-bigger-than-expected-after-covid-12972101

We seem to be taking a thriving economy for granted - but look at what happened last time Labour was in power. Now look at how well we are doing today:

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/29/uk-economy-makes-stronger-recovery-from-pandemic-than-first-thought-germany-france

Really pathetic

Why are you calling other people "creepy" and telling them to stop talking?

It's a forum you weirdo.

You just make this stuff up out of nowhere. The British economy is doing exceptionally well.

An educated well-informed person would not take economic readings from just one quarter and claim any economy is doing "exceptionally well" or even "exceptionally poor".

It takes much more than that level of information.

Surely if you only want to talk to Labour supporters you’d join a Labour FB or WhatsApp group or whatever

I am politically homeless at the moment. None of them can be trusted. I don’t even feel like a ‘swing voter’ as this suggests I feel I could be drawn towards one of the main parties, but they all appear frighteningly inept, with no real power to effect meaningful changes, and just come across as craven, weak and fatuous in their desperation. It’s only going to get worse in the run up to the election.

https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/

What on earth are you talking about? The economy is growing, we have millions of jobs!

Again, this is not a well thought out post. We have a series employment problem in the UK.

The projections look very good.