To think this, is how the Tories could win?

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Sunak is setting out his stall as pro-car:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

This could actually swing it for him. People sink vast amounts of time and money into their cars, they're aspirational status symbols. The UK loves it's cars.

Labour are too scared to announce any future policy or form position, they have sat on the fence for so long they don’t even know where they stand on anything.

Yeh, but it won't matter…

Empty mpromise - Vote ‘pro car’ and under the Tories not be able to afford a car!

Could you point me to this open door policy?
Labour does not have one. Yet you believe this is a policy while denying the existence of actual policies pointed out to you.

More like sick of seeing their ideas stolen by the Tories. I’m happy to wait for the manifesto. With so many Tory U turns God knows what they’ll be promising next week, let alone by the time an election is called.

There will be a manifesto once a General Election is called

No. It was a list of things Labour have said they’ll do.

I can’t wait to see the Labour manifesto either! So we all agree on that.

What about a Tory manifesto? The current one is quite obsolete with all the broken promises

Folks it's pointless arguing with @Lastchancechica

Like lots of people, they've made up their minds long before we see an election.

Tory = good. Labour = bad.

Apparently, Labour will wreck the country even more than it's already been wrecked, all whilst remaining on the fence with no policies. And they'll allow those pesky green energy bosses who donate to Labour to make lots of money, instead of those saintly oil and gas barons who donate to the Tories to make lots of money.

I didn't even know the expansion of ULEZ was forced on Khan by the Tories but it makes total sense that they are now using it to beat him with.

I can’t wait to see the Labour manifesto either! So we all agree on that

We’ll look forward to hearing your balanced opinion on that.

Well, seeing the manifesto and actually reading it are two different things.

Calling her out to back up her claims with evidence/facts is never a wste of time.

When I was new car shopping 3 years ago, it was a dealbreaker.

Cue loads of smarmy car salespeople telling me how wrong I was. Apparently.

Mind you, I can remember (just) when seatbelts were an optional extra.

The dimness on this thread is alarming.

you need to run at 15mph to do a four minute mile. To do 100m in 10s you need to be doing about 22mph. Niche, but not impossible.

You probably meant to write "most humans". But that wouldn't have the same shock and awe.

You would have to be spectacularly stupid, or unbelievably naïve (or both) to waste a moments thought on any manifesto for the next election. Except to regard it as a shopping list of things that won't happen (if promised) and that will happen (if denied).

Really, why is a party deliberately breaking a manifesto promise not a cause for a general election ?

So I’m right then? Over a normal week’s mileage (certainly anything which is far enough to be impacted by the new limits) a human couldn’t manage it. Particularly walking with a red flag, which is what I was responding to?

So I’m right then? Over a normal week’s mileage (certainly anything which is far enough to be impacted by the new limits) a human couldn’t manage it.

But that's not what you said. So no. You are not right. As the record shows.

Ok. Some humans can sustain 20mph over a very short distance. Doesn’t make the ‘man walking with a red flag’ comments any less stupid, does it?

Chose your battles.

If Starmer goes with his repeated claim of No to the single market will that hold or not?

I’ve seem many posts from people who think he’ll get there anyway despite statements

It seems a pretty big thing to fudge though

I know about the dimness. It’s Friday night time to stop talking politics. We are fighting it out between the glass half full crowd (accepting the good things in life are not perfect) and the half empty Crowd that constantly moan and whinge about broken Britain. Determined to vote for a party that will deliver on their pessimism and misery. And after five years Labour are very likely to strip the country of everything that works and is outstanding about this country taking us on a levelling down path. Funnily enough I can’t vote for that.

It would be nice, but the transphobes do keep insisting on bringing it up as a 'reason' to vote Tory or abstain.
It's bloody pathetic and symptomatic of their fear of a tiny minority blinding them to the overall situation. Which, well, Tories, eh?

Basically reversing a democratic referendum.

Evidence?

What, like elections? Best not ever reverse any of those, then.