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Gen Z can’t work with people with different views?

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MaggieBsBoat · 22/09/2023 20:25

I saw this on my LinkedIn feed just now and have been thinking about it. I’ve been ‚disowned‘ (for want of a better term ‘by a few gen z family members as I don’t agree with them on things and I often wondered how common this was. Anyone else? If so, why do you think that is? For me if was because I’m a TERF (apparently).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12542363/generation-z-alex-mahon-channel-4-gen-z-cambridge-convention.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall&_gl=11h9xcpc_ga*d0NYeGJuOHRRXzFQOFhuTHZqYXctSklzSTkwQXFIaUhtbGRNVy1RUEhQWHNQRHREOF9sVmJTVklPNlZaaXZYaA..#comments-12542363

Gen Z can't work with people with different views says Channel 4 boss

Channel 4 boss Alex Mahon (pictured) said 'particularly post-pandemic' Gen Z youngsters 'haven't got the skills to discuss' and 'haven't got the skills to disagree'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12542363/generation-z-alex-mahon-channel-4-gen-z-cambridge-convention.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall&_gl=1*1h9xcpc*_ga*d0NYeGJuOHRRXzFQOFhuTHZqYXctSklzSTkwQXFIaUhtbGRNVy1RUEhQWHNQRHREOF9sVmJTVklPNlZaaXZYaA..#comments-12542363

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LakieLady · 23/09/2023 12:19

I'm a boomer and I don't like having to interact with people who display sexism, racism, homophobia etc, and I think I'd probably have to give a climate change denier a piece of my mind, so I don't think it's necessarily age-related.

DdraigGoch · 23/09/2023 12:28

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2023 09:42

I’m a uni lecturer and I agree with this. Whilst not true for ALL of Gen Z, there are a heck of a lot of them that walk around permanently offended and believe being offended constitutes as an actual argument.

One womans permanently offended is another womans refusing to put up with centuries of misogyny everywhere in society ...

The mature way to deal with it is to engage in robust debate. Not to storm off in a huff.

DdraigGoch · 23/09/2023 13:07

Dymaxion · 23/09/2023 08:26

It's just the overdone critiquing of a younger generation from an older generation.

Hasn't this always been the case Smile ? I work with people aged 18 - 67, most of whom are great and I learn something new from all of them, I don't agree with all of them all the time, but there are rarely any falling's out.
Oddly those with less lived life experience tend to be more judgemental than those with more, in my job anyway, I think being able to see a bigger picture, does come with experience.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Socrates, circa 400BC

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/09/2023 13:07

Oddly those with less lived life experience tend to be more judgemental than those with more, in my job anyway, I think being able to see a bigger picture, does come with experience

Absolutely

Of course that doesn't mean that those with more experience are always right, but at least they have something to base their views on apart from the latest SM fad

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/09/2023 13:10

Husband and I are boomers (he certainly is, 64. I’m 59, maybe a gen X?)
Anyway, I suspect we’re more inflexible in our views than our millennial and gen z kids.

Oneearringlost · 23/09/2023 13:23

DialSquare · 22/09/2023 21:40

You made me feel very nostalgic with that post PleaseGiveMeBackMySummer.

Me too! I had to copy and paste it to my clipboard.

HamBone · 23/09/2023 13:48

LittleObe · 23/09/2023 09:34

The oldest Gen Z are almost 30... they're aged 27 to 12.

I thought they were 1997-2012 but anyway. I still think that the younger end of Gen Z is open to different opinions (in my personal experience).

HamBone · 23/09/2023 13:53

Oddly those with less lived life experience tend to be more judgemental than those with more, in my job anyway, I think being able to see a bigger picture, does come with experience.

@Dymaxion I’d agree with this in general, although I will say that it also depends on the breadth of life experience. If an older person has only ever interacted with people who are similar to them, with similar views, for example, it can be difficult dealing with anyone/an idea that’s different.

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2023 14:14

DdraigGoch · 23/09/2023 12:28

The mature way to deal with it is to engage in robust debate. Not to storm off in a huff.

The problem is with the internet, it's patently clear that hasn't done the trick these past centuries. Maybe they're impatient and less susceptible to be mugged off with the usual platitudes ? I'd hope so. Or my life may have been in vain.

FarEast · 23/09/2023 17:38

I think it’s just because they’re young and inexperienced. I was at 20 and was adamant in my opinions. But I learned by sharing houses with a diverse range of people and through various workplaces, that actually political differences are far less important than if someone does the washing up or doesn’t use up all the milk!

FarEast · 23/09/2023 17:47

HamBone · 23/09/2023 13:53

Oddly those with less lived life experience tend to be more judgemental than those with more, in my job anyway, I think being able to see a bigger picture, does come with experience.

@Dymaxion I’d agree with this in general, although I will say that it also depends on the breadth of life experience. If an older person has only ever interacted with people who are similar to them, with similar views, for example, it can be difficult dealing with anyone/an idea that’s different.

But I should think this is a description of a person if any age, actually. I’ve become more tolerant of most (but not all) things as I’ve got older. There’s a point in your 50s where you realise that you’ve seen everything and there are really only a few things that matter.

one262 · 23/09/2023 17:53

Siameasy · 23/09/2023 09:38

On social media - I’m assuming the younger Gen Z are fairly dominant - certain views appear to be THE view and certain “ideologies”, cults or isms appear to be replacing religion. Instead of God we are encouraged to choose from:
LGBTQIA+
Feminism
Pro-choice
Body positive
BLM (seems less popular atm)
Supporters of these new “religions” are the “good” people and will go to heaven.

People will always have a need to belong and to feel accepted.

Sounds better than religion.

Dymaxion · 23/09/2023 21:05

@HamBone I’d agree with this in general, although I will say that it also depends on the breadth of life experience. If an older person has only ever interacted with people who are similar to them, with similar views, for example, it can be difficult dealing with anyone/an idea that’s different.

That is also true. I work in healthcare so it suprises me when younger staff are openly judgemental, I gently suggest reasons for someone's behaviour and quite often they will take it on board when I have explained to them the history or mitigating factors of a particular patient. I do wonder if I would have been the same if I had started much younger, maybe I would ?

Dymaxion · 23/09/2023 21:07

There’s a point in your 50s where you realise that you’ve seen everything and there are really only a few things that matter.

Amen to that @FarEast Smile

PleaseGiveMeBackMySummer · 23/09/2023 21:17

Oneearringlost · 23/09/2023 13:23

Me too! I had to copy and paste it to my clipboard.

Awww, how lovely to hear! Grin Glad I've made a few posters happy/nostalgic! 😍 (With my post at 21.33 yesterday - Friday 23rd Sept!)

HamBone · 23/09/2023 21:33

Dymaxion · 23/09/2023 21:07

There’s a point in your 50s where you realise that you’ve seen everything and there are really only a few things that matter.

Amen to that @FarEast Smile

Completely agree, @FarEast .

PleaseGiveMeBackMySummer · 23/09/2023 21:47

SORRY Friday 22nd September!

EL8888 · 24/09/2023 21:57

Makes me think of a disagreement l had in Boots this afternoon, member of staff said they couldn’t sell me Night Nurse as it’s prescription only and obviously l said it’s not prescription only. Her and her colleague were aggrieved that l corrected her. But it’s not my fault she was wrong

one262 · 24/09/2023 22:25

EL8888 · 24/09/2023 21:57

Makes me think of a disagreement l had in Boots this afternoon, member of staff said they couldn’t sell me Night Nurse as it’s prescription only and obviously l said it’s not prescription only. Her and her colleague were aggrieved that l corrected her. But it’s not my fault she was wrong

Not sure what that has to do with the thread but cool story.

EL8888 · 24/09/2023 22:30

@one262 hardly a “cool story”, l was annoyed at not being able to buy Night Nurse (l have a cold) and someone’s lack of understanding about their job role.

My view is you can correct people if they are wrong, person who served me and her colleague think you can’t. My correction caused lots of huffing by them. This thread is about a certain demographic which both of these people fell into and about them not liking people’s with different views…

thedancingbear · 25/09/2023 09:30

EL8888 · 24/09/2023 21:57

Makes me think of a disagreement l had in Boots this afternoon, member of staff said they couldn’t sell me Night Nurse as it’s prescription only and obviously l said it’s not prescription only. Her and her colleague were aggrieved that l corrected her. But it’s not my fault she was wrong

I took my car to the garage the other day. They said that the timing belt needed changing. They also mentioned there was some rust around the wheel arches, but nothing to worry about this time round. Just keep an eye on it.

Then I went for a cup of tea and a scone with my friend.

boringusername31 · 28/09/2023 12:48

It's social media. Let's be honest - most of us were self-righteous, insufferable, opinionated bores as teenagers; it's part of growing up!

The difference is - speaking as elder millennial - we could debate freely without being hugely shamed for our missteps, slowly figure out social skills, not even think about stupid stuff we did when we were 15 coming back to haunt us FOREVER, learn from our mistakes in our own time and not have the horrific weight of peer pressure magnified by tik tok etc.

Think about it: If you were Gen Z, half of your life is online. You communicate mainly online - then Covid - so especially if you're North American or Northern European - you are already lacking in real life comms skills.

  • You have a controversial and maybe ignorant opinion - you tweet "Christopher Columbus discovered America" at age 15 - you are hounded by your so-called friends, your tweet goes viral and you get pilloried by adults across the world and someone archives it so your name will be forever linked with this.
  • I remember when teenage girls (children) got slutshamed for 'hooking up' with adult men in their 20s. Now, this probably wouldn't openly happen but you can bet your life that a teenage girl will be coerced into taking a pic of breasts and sending it to a boy, who will then share it with the whole school. Who will all shame her. And all the teachers will see it too. And that photo will stay online forever and ever and ever.
  • Peer pressure is intense and social exclusion when you're young is brutal. Imagine how much more brutal it is when it's not just your real life friends, but your whole school and community
  • Imagine what it would be like for employers to google you and be able to find every dumb, tone-deaf, ridiculous thing you did from literally the day you were old enough to tap shit into your phone online.

That's why they are like the way they are. The pressure must be UNREAL.

Peverellshire · 28/09/2023 13:12

boringusername31 · 28/09/2023 12:48

It's social media. Let's be honest - most of us were self-righteous, insufferable, opinionated bores as teenagers; it's part of growing up!

The difference is - speaking as elder millennial - we could debate freely without being hugely shamed for our missteps, slowly figure out social skills, not even think about stupid stuff we did when we were 15 coming back to haunt us FOREVER, learn from our mistakes in our own time and not have the horrific weight of peer pressure magnified by tik tok etc.

Think about it: If you were Gen Z, half of your life is online. You communicate mainly online - then Covid - so especially if you're North American or Northern European - you are already lacking in real life comms skills.

  • You have a controversial and maybe ignorant opinion - you tweet "Christopher Columbus discovered America" at age 15 - you are hounded by your so-called friends, your tweet goes viral and you get pilloried by adults across the world and someone archives it so your name will be forever linked with this.
  • I remember when teenage girls (children) got slutshamed for 'hooking up' with adult men in their 20s. Now, this probably wouldn't openly happen but you can bet your life that a teenage girl will be coerced into taking a pic of breasts and sending it to a boy, who will then share it with the whole school. Who will all shame her. And all the teachers will see it too. And that photo will stay online forever and ever and ever.
  • Peer pressure is intense and social exclusion when you're young is brutal. Imagine how much more brutal it is when it's not just your real life friends, but your whole school and community
  • Imagine what it would be like for employers to google you and be able to find every dumb, tone-deaf, ridiculous thing you did from literally the day you were old enough to tap shit into your phone online.

That's why they are like the way they are. The pressure must be UNREAL.

I think they will take their kids off social media for this reason & then a move back to a simpler, analogue life. For a period. Already I have seen a 6-11 age group clutching old school, physical, paperbacks.

phoenixrosehere · 28/09/2023 13:51

EL8888 · 24/09/2023 22:30

@one262 hardly a “cool story”, l was annoyed at not being able to buy Night Nurse (l have a cold) and someone’s lack of understanding about their job role.

My view is you can correct people if they are wrong, person who served me and her colleague think you can’t. My correction caused lots of huffing by them. This thread is about a certain demographic which both of these people fell into and about them not liking people’s with different views…

I’ve had the same but with demographics who are usually older than me despite being polite and cordial about it and I’m in my 30s but assumed younger. It always comes down to some people not liking being corrected and/or accepting they made a mistake not the generation.

justteanbiscuits · 28/09/2023 13:52

I've pulled away from family members due to their views. While others may agree with them, they were views that I, personally, find abhorrent and as such, have no wish to associate with them anymore.

And I'm Gen X.