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Gen Z can’t work with people with different views?

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MaggieBsBoat · 22/09/2023 20:25

I saw this on my LinkedIn feed just now and have been thinking about it. I’ve been ‚disowned‘ (for want of a better term ‘by a few gen z family members as I don’t agree with them on things and I often wondered how common this was. Anyone else? If so, why do you think that is? For me if was because I’m a TERF (apparently).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12542363/generation-z-alex-mahon-channel-4-gen-z-cambridge-convention.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall&_gl=11h9xcpc_ga*d0NYeGJuOHRRXzFQOFhuTHZqYXctSklzSTkwQXFIaUhtbGRNVy1RUEhQWHNQRHREOF9sVmJTVklPNlZaaXZYaA..#comments-12542363

Gen Z can't work with people with different views says Channel 4 boss

Channel 4 boss Alex Mahon (pictured) said 'particularly post-pandemic' Gen Z youngsters 'haven't got the skills to discuss' and 'haven't got the skills to disagree'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12542363/generation-z-alex-mahon-channel-4-gen-z-cambridge-convention.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall&_gl=1*1h9xcpc*_ga*d0NYeGJuOHRRXzFQOFhuTHZqYXctSklzSTkwQXFIaUhtbGRNVy1RUEhQWHNQRHREOF9sVmJTVklPNlZaaXZYaA..#comments-12542363

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Somanycats · 23/09/2023 01:15

Why are people talking in terms of generation blah blah? There are no homogeneous groups in life ever. Not in terms of race, sex, religion, age, politics, class. Never.

Namesense · 23/09/2023 01:18

It's just the overdone critiquing of a younger generation from an older generation.

Dymaxion · 23/09/2023 08:26

It's just the overdone critiquing of a younger generation from an older generation.

Hasn't this always been the case Smile ? I work with people aged 18 - 67, most of whom are great and I learn something new from all of them, I don't agree with all of them all the time, but there are rarely any falling's out.
Oddly those with less lived life experience tend to be more judgemental than those with more, in my job anyway, I think being able to see a bigger picture, does come with experience.

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/09/2023 08:33

Presil · 23/09/2023 00:31

Gen X in the UK were the free range generation - we physically roamed about same as previous generations but had the added bonus that religion was really starting to lose its grip so we had fewer moral code type restrictions placed on us than them. In general.

I do think that the hands off approach to parenting would be considered lax now but as far as a lot of our parents were concerned we had nothing to worry about compared with what they experienced as children - there was a lot of poverty and general lack of amenities in the 30s, 40s and 50s.

Yes, that’s very true. By the time I was 16, I was going to seedy pubs every week and hanging around drunk men. When we went to a wedding last weekend, I had to order my 15 yo dd to bed gone midnight as there was no one to look after her. I didn’t want her hanging around with drunk people I didn’t know - mainly men - as some of the women had gone to bed. All couples late 20s early 30s, probably fine. But I’m not chancing it with her as I she doesn’t have the experience I had and neither do I want her to have it!

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2023 09:01

It's really "the man" noticing that people entering the rat race are far less tolerant of the shit that previous generations have put up with. And it's happening everywhere. And I applaud it.

Every generation throws a hero up the pop charts.

LittleObe · 23/09/2023 09:34

HamBone · 22/09/2023 20:54

I think the majority of Gen Z is still pretty young, right? My two are Gen Z’s (18 and 15) and we put a big emphasis on the art of debate, listening to differing opinions, plus doing your research before blindly agreeing with other people.

I think the “cancellers”of recent years are getting older now, they’re close to 30 and will be complaining about ageism soon!

The oldest Gen Z are almost 30... they're aged 27 to 12.

Dymaxion · 23/09/2023 09:37

@SerendipityJane thats a good point ! I quite enjoy watching the bright young things mixing it up a bit and challenging age old practices, plus they are very helpful when tech changes and I feel a bit out of my depth Grin

Siameasy · 23/09/2023 09:38

On social media - I’m assuming the younger Gen Z are fairly dominant - certain views appear to be THE view and certain “ideologies”, cults or isms appear to be replacing religion. Instead of God we are encouraged to choose from:
LGBTQIA+
Feminism
Pro-choice
Body positive
BLM (seems less popular atm)
Supporters of these new “religions” are the “good” people and will go to heaven.

People will always have a need to belong and to feel accepted.

Sartre · 23/09/2023 09:38

I’m a uni lecturer and I agree with this. Whilst not true for ALL of Gen Z, there are a heck of a lot of them that walk around permanently offended and believe being offended constitutes as an actual argument.

I’ve witnessed the uni changing in lots of ways in recent years to accommodate for them including the introduction of ‘gender neutral toilets’ (every building on campus now has to have one). I tread very, very carefully with students during seminars, you just never know what might offend one. I teach literature and have had students storm out a few times because they don’t like the language in 100 year + old books…

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2023 09:42

I’m a uni lecturer and I agree with this. Whilst not true for ALL of Gen Z, there are a heck of a lot of them that walk around permanently offended and believe being offended constitutes as an actual argument.

One womans permanently offended is another womans refusing to put up with centuries of misogyny everywhere in society ...

phoenixrosehere · 23/09/2023 09:57

Dymaxion · 23/09/2023 08:26

It's just the overdone critiquing of a younger generation from an older generation.

Hasn't this always been the case Smile ? I work with people aged 18 - 67, most of whom are great and I learn something new from all of them, I don't agree with all of them all the time, but there are rarely any falling's out.
Oddly those with less lived life experience tend to be more judgemental than those with more, in my job anyway, I think being able to see a bigger picture, does come with experience.

It definitely is usually the case. It was millennials before where they’re not seen as adults because they don’t want to do supposedly “adult” things like drive, get married, have children, yet many do/did and the reasons behind not doing such things have become more accepted and understood, now it’s something about Gen Z.

It’s often talked about on here how many older relatives and grandparents don’t respect boundaries, argue about how things were in their day and new practices are “nonsense” and some being excused because they’re older and it was a different time despite times having not changed as rapidly as some make it out to be for the most part yet it’s the younger generation that are seemingly lesser tolerant and don’t want to hear different views in some way.

I always think it’s odd how older generations moan about the younger when they seem to forget who was the ones involved raising the younger generations in the first place. Gen Z are still pretty young (pre-teen to young adult) for the most part so making such a blanket statement about a whole generation is ridiculous as it has been for any generation, older and younger.

JaninaDuszejko · 23/09/2023 09:59

Or a man pretending to be a woman and appropriating the language of social liberalism to walk all over the hard won rights of women to have safe spaces and gain access to vulnerable women.

Dymaxion · 23/09/2023 10:01

I tread very, very carefully with students during seminars, you just never know what might offend one. I teach literature and have had students storm out a few times because they don’t like the language in 100 year + old books…

To be studying literature, surely they must have had to read quite a few older books to pass exams to get on the course ?
I read for pleasure and have been on a Graham Greene binge recently, the language/themes in most of his books would be classed as very offensive if looked at through todays lens ?

LittleObe · 23/09/2023 10:06
  • It's the typical lazy "journalism" fodder, creating division between the generations ▪︎ Boomers are so called "greedy, selfish, racists" ▪︎ Millennials are so called " lazy, avocado guzzling, snowflakes" ▪︎Gen Z are so called "rude, intolerant gobshites"

I'm so pleased I belong to Gen X, where we are left the fuck alone and dont have to endure this shite.*

Ever considered that the media leaves Gen X alone because almost every editor in the nation and most of the C-suites etc are now Gen X? You're the ones in charge of it all 😂

BelindaBears · 23/09/2023 10:08

It’s not been my experience but I work in a fairly staid old profession so I don’t think we attract the Gen Zs who are particularly bothered about this stuff. I imagine if I worked in publishing or something it would be wildly different.

TeenDivided · 23/09/2023 10:13

I've been out of the workplace for a while but it seems to me the 'bring your whole self to work' idea is partly to blame.

Personally I think people should bring their work selves to work. Opinions on politics, religion, etc don't really belong in the workplace.

But it does require HR policies to be sensible and fair.

I don't really care what people believe or them mentioning it in passing. What I wouldn't want is their politics / other beliefs shoehorned in to every discussion, nor would I want my rights to be trampled on (such as changing toilets to be mixed sex).

It doesn't matter for most workplaces whether someone is tory/labour/remain/leave/chelsea/west-ham/gay/straight/trans-ally/GC as long as they don't keep banging on about it at work.

Crapsummer2023 · 23/09/2023 10:17

To be fair to them, the over 50s keep voting for shit that fucks up their future. They have zero real power.

Siameasy · 23/09/2023 10:27

TeenDivided · 23/09/2023 10:13

I've been out of the workplace for a while but it seems to me the 'bring your whole self to work' idea is partly to blame.

Personally I think people should bring their work selves to work. Opinions on politics, religion, etc don't really belong in the workplace.

But it does require HR policies to be sensible and fair.

I don't really care what people believe or them mentioning it in passing. What I wouldn't want is their politics / other beliefs shoehorned in to every discussion, nor would I want my rights to be trampled on (such as changing toilets to be mixed sex).

It doesn't matter for most workplaces whether someone is tory/labour/remain/leave/chelsea/west-ham/gay/straight/trans-ally/GC as long as they don't keep banging on about it at work.

Agree

We have this slogan at work too and we joke about whether a right wing pro-lifer would be allowed to bring his or her true self to work or only “correct” people have this privilege. I suspect the latter.

Ap24 · 23/09/2023 10:32

I love my gen z colleagues, they are the best. They've had a shit time coming into work when even a good starting wage won't cover much. They do seem far less likely to put up with sexism and racism from colleagues and I think that's brilliant.

These kind of articles were written about my generation (millennials) before this. Apparently I'm lazy, a snowflake, entitled, part of a generation that always got participation awards etc.

Its strange on these threads that are ageist, we never seem to get the same reaction if it's aimed at the younger generations. Yet as soon as someone talks about baby boomers having a leg up from cheap housing all hell brakes loose.

JobHuntingMum · 23/09/2023 10:43

The gen z'ers at my (former) workplace do not fit the stereotype (because that's what it is). They are polite, hardworking and have good relationships with colleagues.

I'm a millennial and I've just resigned in response to some overt sex discrimination perpetrated by one particular individual who really ought to know better. I hope they get bloody cancelled because they deserve it.

gannett · 23/09/2023 10:46

Ap24 · 23/09/2023 10:32

I love my gen z colleagues, they are the best. They've had a shit time coming into work when even a good starting wage won't cover much. They do seem far less likely to put up with sexism and racism from colleagues and I think that's brilliant.

These kind of articles were written about my generation (millennials) before this. Apparently I'm lazy, a snowflake, entitled, part of a generation that always got participation awards etc.

Its strange on these threads that are ageist, we never seem to get the same reaction if it's aimed at the younger generations. Yet as soon as someone talks about baby boomers having a leg up from cheap housing all hell brakes loose.

We also had it as Gen X. Labelled PC, intolerant etc. Lots of Gen Xers seem to have forgotten this in their middle age though.

Seems to me like it's the older generations who seem unable to work with younger people able to express progressive opinions and stand up for themselves.

SatsumaNightmare · 23/09/2023 10:48

Nothing to do with age and more to do with political alignment.

JobHuntingMum · 23/09/2023 10:48

JobHuntingMum · 23/09/2023 10:43

The gen z'ers at my (former) workplace do not fit the stereotype (because that's what it is). They are polite, hardworking and have good relationships with colleagues.

I'm a millennial and I've just resigned in response to some overt sex discrimination perpetrated by one particular individual who really ought to know better. I hope they get bloody cancelled because they deserve it.

He's a gen x'er BTW.

IWFH · 23/09/2023 11:12

I just love the stereotyping on this thread.
After all, historically 'othering' different groups in society has always seemed to work so well.
Perhaps we should extend the stereotyping on this thread beyond ageism to include race, sex, colour, class, and religion as well. Would be good to fill the bingo card.
I was going to add 'appearance' to my list but since the puerile trope of beardy twats has already been mentioned above by @MrsTerryPratchett I don't need to.

Beezknees · 23/09/2023 11:16

My team at work are age 21-59. We all work together fine.

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