To think there is a sub-class of people in our society

[bluewanda]

Baby boy died in 'filthy' home with 'traces of cocaine in his system'

https://mol.im/a/12545263

What the hell is wrong with these people. How the fuck can they subject an innocent baby to such a horrific life?! These children should be removed at birth because they don’t stand a chance. It is so utterly depressing.

OK it's a societal problem, so when do we accept its the society these people come from's problem and they have to change? Rather than saying 'tax payers have to pay more'? 'Give them more money in benefits, pay for more activities and schemes in their area, if you don't do that, it's YOUR fault when things go wrong'

Oh give it a rest FFS. Subclass doesn't in any way equate to Subhuman.

Plenty of people have explained what subclass means to them. No need to go all mardy.

Can we just call them Trash?

I wish people would stop making excuses for this behaviour. I was bought up in an abusive and neglectful household. I was homeless at 16 and had to start working full time. I also abused drugs and alcohol for a time and hung around with some awful people. By some of your standards I'm some victim who is too thick to know any better. You can stick your patronising, pitying opinions.

My mother knew better, all of these abusers know better. You can tell because they lie about it, and they make their children lie. If they thought there parenting was fine why would they cover it up?

So this wonderful woman, so sweet and intelligent has managed to be so neglectful/abusive she's had 5 children removed... but of course not her fault!.

There is a subclass for sure! I don’t know why people make excuses for these lowlifes “poverty” “lack of education”. There are many of us who grew up in poverty who didn’t turn out like scum. Some people are just vile scum. It’s not society’s fault. A shite parent is a shite parent. The problem is that nobody ever takes responsibility for their own actions, it’s always someone else’s fault.

@HopefulElle ❤️

Many experts have pointed out that, if we could eliminate child abuse, we'd get close to eliminating crime. There have never been sufficient resources to eliminate child abuse.

Food for thought.

Absolutely @Thisweeksname but as you can see the self righteous lot are here judging!

I’m afraid I agree with you, this would solve lots of problems, if they are not fit to bring up children and those children are not safe, then absolutely take away their ability to breed.

Unless they need the excess heat to grow a certain plant ?

They are just sub STANDARD people. Vile, low, absolute dregs of humanity. Scumbags. Lowest level of life form.

She's a heroin addict, and smokes weed between shots. Her judgement isn't exactly great. I suspect her scary boyfriends rent her out. She attempts suicide every time SS take a baby away, even though she knows it's best for them.

Her life's absolutely fucked with little hope of getting better. Haven't seen her for two years, she might be dead now.

Of course she’s had her children removed if she’s a heroin addict! How’s she supposed to care for children if she’s passed out with a needle in her arm. Nothings going to change if people don’t understand the actual problem.

it could be debated that you could have a perfect society and some will still turn to drugs, booze etc, obviously i know its more detailed than that but it seems with some people its a mix of perspectives.

Oh ffs, do you feel good about yourself with your psychobabbble shite?
I said majority of mnetters as that's the platform we're on.
OK, the majority of PEOPLE would know not to kill/neglect their baby.
Yes.re good/bad.
Good-.don't kill/neglect/give child access to illegal drugs.
Bad- put their shitty self first.

@Flickersy Finally someone who gets the bigger picture. Too many snobs giving themselves a pat on the back and being way too judgmental about things they don’t understand. Probably voted the monsters in who keep a knee on the neck of the underprivileged too.

I know people who were very poor from difficult backgrounds in the 1970s. All but one went on to make successful lives and had aspirations of a better life, become good citizens, achieve higher education. Some of whom are Consultants, barristers etc. Many of whom were brought up in tenements with shared bathrooms. Traditional manual jobs disappeared.
Poverty is not an excuse for poor choices or lack of education or humanity. Parents for generations have hoped that their children have better life outcomes than their poverty ridden lifestyles. They seek better educational outcomes.
Many struggled but sought to achieve and had hoped that off spring could overcome their background.
This has been the history of the working people of this country.
Sadly, I do believe that there those who do lack aspiration, self motivation and desire to do better for their future offspring.
I found this lack of aspiration lacking
They were use to available jobs without the prerequisite qualifications or experience needed in other parts of the country. In the intermediate years this geographical impasse has lessened.

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Drugs and alcohol are symptoms of other problems. Most addicts have psychological issues, or have had some sort of trauma. That is not to excuse. Addicts are pathetic people.

The issue is rather like domestic violence. Preventing violent men from being in a domestic environment would change society, if every man that beat his partner or his children went to prison and could not see his children you would a good chance of changing this. If this man could not see those children and mess them up and bully the mother so she teaches her children that they can be victims, it would change things.

Our society is too permissive about domestic abuse. Change that, you will change society.

OK so what makes someone good or bad? Just born that way or made? (Maybe it doesn't matter?)

What should happen to the bad people? If you had a magic/all-powerful solution. What about a realistic/practical solution - could you identify them early before they hurt anyone?

If you managed to get rid of all the bad people, would there be more bad people that came to take their place? Do you think there will always be a certain percentage of people who are just bad/evil? Like if you got rid of the worst 1% then the people occupying the 2% slot would get worse? Or would it be gone because there's a clear line and it's not muddy.

I'm not trying to make myself feel anything, I'm just interested, having a discussion, because clearly not everyone sees things in the same way. Actually most people seem to have the good people / bad people viewpoint so I was just wondering how different people see that as working.

Yes there is, but not sure it is, generally not saying on here or not, assumed it is just with people sat around lazy on welfare

Sometimes, the middle classes/'rich' are more creative at hiding it

Read the article, she didn't dose the child, the drug traces are from incidental contamination of his food.

@BertieBotts - cannot tell you exactly but I can tell you a very good sign. That is violent or aggressive conduct. Literally the surest sign ever that a person has problems. Irrespective of sex or class, that one.

Feral class
Living outside the law , feckless, couldn’t give a toss about anything but their own needs and wants
Kids need taking away asap from parents like these- To save their lives.

Pandering to the parents isn’t on.

Kids lives matter.

Most of the first page results in DuckDuckGo for "is there a correlation between poverty and abuse" are multiple links to "The Relationship Between Poverty and Child Abuse and Neglect: New Evidence" co-written by clinicians at Tavistock and Portland. You know, the people who have been giving puberty blockers to children. The education needs a massive overhaul until people learn to check whether a source is reliable. A source that does not value child safeguarding highly enough to keep mentally-unwell and traumatised children off experimental medication is not a source that I trust about anything safeguarding-related.