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To think this what the Russel Brand story is meant to bury?

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madamreign · 19/09/2023 06:58

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66839314

It's not half as salacious, possibly a bit dry and dull to most people.

But it's fucking constitutional dynamite

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EasternStandard · 19/09/2023 07:43

Wherly · 19/09/2023 07:36

I think the fact that people can't even agree which story this was meant to bury demonstrates that this theory is bollocks.

It really is

Ginmonkeyagain · 19/09/2023 07:44

I mean the Johnson story has not been buried. You have proven this by linking to the story published on the news website of our major natoonal broadcaster.

It was also the lead story on BBC Today and Breakfast programmes yesterday.

You will also notice the Johnson story came from revelations in a documentary the BBC is currently running on prime time BBC2.

What is driving the Brand story is people like a scandals, especially ones about sex. The media cover stories that drive clicks/sells papers. The media also loves stories about themselves (a major component of the Brand story is allegations that his employers turned a blind eye and sometime even enabled his behaviour).

Yes stories can sometimes be released on days when media will be looking tbe other way (embarrassing reports etc..) but this is not what happened here. This was the BBC running a story to promote their own TV show that was airing the next day.

When people say stories have been buried or not covered what they often mean is their media consumption is narrow or they are woefully media illiterate.

MidnightOnceMore · 19/09/2023 07:45

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VisionsOfSplendour · 19/09/2023 07:45

Inkpotlover · 19/09/2023 07:28

No, they don't have to let anyone "central" know. They protect their exclusives until they're ready to run. The Times and Sunday Times had their newsroom in lockdown from Wed last week as they were putting the finishing touches to it to avoid the story leaking beforehand.

Clearly they need to uo their game then as we all knew who it was about two days beforehand.

Nevermind202020 · 19/09/2023 07:45

The RB situation isn't meant to bury anything, it's an attempt to expose him for who he seems to really be. His cult following won't accept that though. Not everything is set up to hide something else.

PleaseUseTheSanitaryBinsProvided · 19/09/2023 07:45

Hollyhead · 19/09/2023 07:00

It’s not that well planned, but someone is taking the opportunity to release that story that’s for sure. Every thing about BJ was constitutional cyanamide though, and Joe average doesn’t seem to give a shit about undermining the constitution.

The UK doesn’t have a constitution

Inkpotlover · 19/09/2023 07:45

madamreign · 19/09/2023 07:42

By rights, RB should be a story on page 8 or whatever and being primarily a police matter.

The fact that the Tory party almost destabilised the State, should be front page news for weeks.

It is, every day on the Guardian, iPaper and Independent and most days on the Mirror. Even the Star holds them to account more often than most.

If you read the Times, Telegraph, Sun and Express you'll think they were the best cohort since Enoch Powell's.

Maatandosiris · 19/09/2023 07:45

Yep, there’s something extraordinarily weird about the way the RB saga is being handled, all the build up the wall to wall coverage is totally disproportionate to the story. Not a fan if RB but there’s something really off about the whole thing.

Cornettoninja · 19/09/2023 07:46

The fact that the Tory party almost destabilised the State, should be front page news for weeks

correction - years. A lot of this happened in front of our faces. Openly. And widely condemned at the time. The biggest revelation is that apparently there was also dissent inside No. 10.

If it genuinely bothers you then you really need to do some catching up. People have been banging this drum for ages. Kussenbergs report didn’t materialise off the back of nothingness.

Inkpotlover · 19/09/2023 07:46

VisionsOfSplendour · 19/09/2023 07:45

Clearly they need to uo their game then as we all knew who it was about two days beforehand.

It was the Dispatches special that did it. Clearing the Sat night C4 schedule for a 90-min doc was always going to prick people's interests. But the extent of the investigation wasn't known until publication.

Maireas · 19/09/2023 07:47

budgetingnovice1993 · 19/09/2023 07:34

So people think 'they' (?) interviewed 4 victims of rape and made a documentary to cover up 2020 Boris? That is madness

It's utterly absurd. It's also worrying.

Maatandosiris · 19/09/2023 07:47

PleaseUseTheSanitaryBinsProvided · 19/09/2023 07:45

The UK doesn’t have a constitution

Of course it does!

Sleepo · 19/09/2023 07:47

I’m sure the government deliberately releases bad news at times when people are distracted by other stories (in fact we know they do- oldies like me will remember “a good day to bury bad news” on 11 September). That’s not the same at all as suggesting that the Brand story was either fabricated or timed to cover the Johnson story, which OP seems to be suggesting. It’s a ludicrous idea, not least because the average person doesn’t give a damn about the Johnson story (although they should).

rwalker · 19/09/2023 07:48

The thing is we’re at saturation point about Boris
the majority of it is petty shit slinging it’s constant
so whenever there is anything worth it’s lost

CaveMum · 19/09/2023 07:48

Agree with @FrenchFancie (who I may add has excellent taste in TV 😜), the Brand story has nothing to do with the Government/The Man™️. They are simply using the opportunity to “take out the trash” - the political practice of releasing news at a time when people might be distracted by other events.

Twas ever thus.

user1473878824 · 19/09/2023 07:48

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/09/2023 07:18

Agreed.

We all know stories are buried and the government loves a disaster to cover up bad news. But this level of paranoid delusion isn;t healthy.

RB AND BJ can both be arseholes at the same time.

Exactly this. I used to work in newspapers and there really isn’t some sort of great conspiracy.

It’s also incredibly demeaning to these very brave women to suggest that their stories are nothing more than “tHeY” working to cover things up. It’s disgusting.

etherealfae · 19/09/2023 07:49

To assume 'they' are trying to distract us you would also have to assume that everyone knows and cares about the actions of Russell Brand . They don't. Yes he's a household name but realistically only people that were invested in that culture and era of the 2000's are going to take an interest in that, leaving a massive number of the population presumably not even following the story.

Sorry but if they needed a distraction i'm sure they could've come up with something bigger than 'Russell Brand abuses women'... it's hardly the most shocking revelation of the decade.

I'm saying this as someone that doesn't trust MSM as a whole and as much as i love a good conspiracy, this situation is so transparent and the people blindly following his new found (conveniently curated) anti establishment persona need to open their eyes and stop believing that every single person who's speaks up against the MSM and establishment does it with good intentions, there's a growing pattern in people excusing their shitty actions by masquarading behind this 'victim of the media for telling the truth' bullshit persona.
YES there are genuine people out there spreading the message of fake news and how the government is so in control, but you all struggle to recognise when you're being played by evil people using this narrative to cover up their wrongdoings . OPEN YOUR EYES!

Maireas · 19/09/2023 07:49

Nevermind202020 · 19/09/2023 07:45

The RB situation isn't meant to bury anything, it's an attempt to expose him for who he seems to really be. His cult following won't accept that though. Not everything is set up to hide something else.

cult following - spot on

HangingByYourFingernails · 19/09/2023 07:49

The other way around is possible and happens all the time: the government spots that a huge story is breaking which takes up everyone's attention and quietly shuffles out bad news that was inevitably going to become public anyway.

So they might suddenly cancel HS2, or announce the abolition of free childcare hours or bring back Liz Truss as Chief Secretary to the Treasury and hope everyone's looking the other way.

But this Johnson story, much like the Dispatches story, is the outcome of months of behind the scenes work and interviews. It's part 2 of a series. And it wasn't inevitable that it would come out in the next thirty years at all. If the government is as all powerful as you think didn't want it to come out surely they could have put pressure on the civil servants not to talk or the BBC not to broadcast.

According to everyone on the Left on the Internet Laura Kuenssberg is a Tory government poodle, who might as well be paid by Tory Central Office to act as their spokeswoman - so I'm not sure why they think she's spent so much of her time producing a series explaining in detail how much of a shitshow the inner workings of government has been over the last five years - and why Central Office apparently ordered her to include a revelation so damaging that they had to simultaneously go back in time and commission several years of reporting by Channel 4 in order to have something eye catching enough to cover it up.

Ginmonkeyagain · 19/09/2023 07:50

We do have a constitution. It is just not written down.

The Russell Brand story has broad coverage as it has a lot of exciting (and lucrative) angles for the media:

Sex, young women, famous people, the downfalls of a marmite public character, accusations of poor corporate conduct by household name broadcasters.

Of course it will run and run, people love the circus

Covidwoes · 19/09/2023 07:50

Oh my god, the number of people becoming conspiracy theorists since covid is an absolute nightmare. This thread sums that right up. Also, OP, you posted a LINK to an article about BoJo. That isn't a cover up if it's in the press! I honestly despair.

Maireas · 19/09/2023 07:50

One of the more ludicrous defences of RB was that he "called out tte bankers" - just like millions of others.

Cornettoninja · 19/09/2023 07:50

Maatandosiris · 19/09/2023 07:45

Yep, there’s something extraordinarily weird about the way the RB saga is being handled, all the build up the wall to wall coverage is totally disproportionate to the story. Not a fan if RB but there’s something really off about the whole thing.

Well that’s personal opinion. A lot of people think it’s completely proportionate in a deeply misogynistic society that automatically favours those with money and status whilst offering little in the way of support and protection of those injured by them.

LizzieSiddal · 19/09/2023 07:51

The problem with the Tory’s is they are so corrupt, it doesn’t matter when the Brand accusations were released, they’d be a shocking Government story alongside it. This week we have HS2 incompetence to the tune of 45billion, plus the lying, incompetent Johnson and it’s only Tuesday!!

EvelynBeatrice · 19/09/2023 07:51

Perhaps there was frustration in the government about civil service intransigence and inability to move quickly. That's why the management of vaccine procurement had to be outsourced - which it was, very successfully.
There are clearly concerns about government performance during that period but to accept a - close to - conspiracy theorist narrative that suggests that no senior politicians in power at the time were genuinely trying their best to minimise loss of life in unprecedented circumstances seems unbalanced to me.

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