Russell Brand - everyone knew

[Mooshamoo]

I was watching the comedian Katherine Ryan say to Louis theroux that a British comedian is a sexual perpetrator. It is now believed that she was talking about Russell brand. She said on the video "when it eventually comes out about these type of people, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this unmentionable British personality, it turns out that everyone knew. Everyone knew. ".

I was wondering did anyone on here on mumsnet know anything about Russell brand? A lot of us lived in London when her was living there. And many women on here would have been a similar age to Russell brand . I lived in London for a year and I saw Russell brand out on a night out once. That was the extent of it. I was wondering did anyone on here have any experience with him, or know about a friend/acquaintance that had any experiences with him.

The morally right people are the women who have told their stories despite their fears and trauma, and the people who dedicated years to bring this story into the light.

If RB is jailed, you'll be telling people you always knew he was sleazy.

Luckily, the people you know won't know you were moaning about misandrists out to get him on Mumsnet with their version of the 'situation'.

Is that you Russel?

You are welcome to do that, I myself, choose not to.

YouTube pisses me off when they do this. They are happy to continue to profit from his content but they've deemed him so awful they don't want him to. I hate the hypocrisy.

Wow, how would you know what I would do, seems like an unusual reply, but I respect your opinion and those of others.

The issue is that not making conclusions for yourself is just disempowering: people come on here and say, well, I don't want to. But in effect, they are simply endorsing a lack of boundaries or standards for themselves or anyone else.

People need to have boundaries to prevent exploitation of the kind that Brand did regularly. Denying that is part of the problem.

It's convenient because you can have no moral insight into yourself and others. And you can be a bystander when this stuff happens.

Because I know your type.

For someone whose username is 'Justmyopinion' you seem very reluctant to have an one.

It's the same man, same motivation, different clothes. Still a wolf

www.independent.co.uk/voices/russell-brand-rape-allegations-community-festival-b2413736.html

That's the trouble, people don't speak up enough. Loads of stories will come out about him now that paint him in a very bad light. We should have been holding him to account a long time ago.

My type?

My opinion?

My best friend had a fling with RB in 2001/2.

It was consensual, but even before he was a big name, the way she described their time together sounded off and I have never been able to look at hin without thinking about what she told me.

Saville 2.0.

Sorry, I do not understand your original comment, but no worries, that's all good.

Yes, it's all good. Have a nice day. Be kind. Live laugh love.

Oh and when that 30+ man did slyly grab my chest at 12 (pretending it was a snake wtf) the police arrested him because with that and the other things he did, he was most obviously into 12 year olds.

As soon as I saw that video of Brand and this very -very- young girl at a festival (like 12), and how uncomfortable she looked as he is touching her chest (in front of everyone), it brought back memories.

If anyone can find that very hard to find footage, it’s very enlightening to anyone who has eyes to see.

Lots of people in sexually abusive, coercive relationships think they are having consensual sex, when they aren't.
Look at the regular posts on here from women who's husbands have sex with them while they are asleep, women who's partners are grumpy/sulky or pester if they aren't getting sex on their agreed timescale, women whose husbands have demanded sex pist birth or they will go elsewhere.
Men like Brand know exactly how to play women to get the sex they want, regardless of if the woman wants it.

I know that drugs played a huge part in his modus operandi. He was off his face for most of tge warly 000's.

My BF had an AIDS test soon after.

Is the BF, Best Friend or Boyfriend? Sorry just curious.

This is the thing isn't it. Was he using women and probably a bit of a prick? Or was he a rapist? Because the former doesn't necessarily mean the latter is true.

If someone is happy to use women and be a "bit of a prick", what's to stop them being a rapist?
Rapists feel entitled to sex and enjoy power and control, won't take no for an answer. Users also fall into this category.

I really don't understand why people think there is a solid line between a promiscuous, lying, user "player" type person and a rapist. Seems to me like there's probably a huge overlap.

No its not necessarily true, but in sleeping with so many women, having sexual encounters of a particular kind and behaving in a somewhat coercive manner where he doesn't respect personal boundaries (which is freqeuently captured on video), Brand was also running a numbers game of high risk in that his behaviour wasn't felt to be consensual by all the women involved - and some may have only realised this in hindsight due to a culture of promoting the idea that 'women were asking for it' or 'what did she expect' or 'well she said yes to other things'.

For me, I think thats part of the issue. He was so arrogant and self assured, its still never really entered his head that, constantly being so sexually forward clashes with female socialisation and conditioning and might be inherently problematic. You don't see him rant on about this and coercive control, in his floral manner, now do you?

Nope. Women bad. Mass conspiracy. Not my fault gov.

Oh sorry for treating you like shit ten years ago and destroying your life Georgina Baillie. My Bad.

Lots and lots of people knew.

Many of those were powerless to do or say anything to stop it and those who were powerful enough to stop it chose not to.

Why they decided to keep quiet, who knows?

Even rich and powerful women who were involved with him kept completely silent about him. Maybe it shows how hard it is to tell the hard truth if even they thought it was pointless trying.

@AdamRyan because the ones not being abused and raped were quite happy to sleep with RB

Brand has stated that in his experience 80% of women are 'up for a threesome'.

I think this provides a really good insight into how his mind works.

Does anyone genuinely believe that 80% of women are bisexual and would also be sexually attracted to any women that Brand presents as a threesome partner?

Or is it more likely that he doesn't care at all about what the women want? Is it more likely that he doesn't think about women as humans, with our own sexuality and a right to enjoy sex?

Not to mention the fact that many of the threesome 'partners' he sprung on his girlfriends were prostitutes. Unlike Brand many women would have ethical objections to sleeping with a prostitute because so many female sex workers have been trafficked, groomed or otherwise coerced.

It's almost like the coercing was the bit he enjoyed.

It's almost like the coercing was the bit he enjoyed.

I think it was almost certainly this. The things he was enjoying was humilating and forcing women.