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Mooshamoo · 2023-09-18T16:06:49+00:00

I was watching the comedian Katherine Ryan say to Louis theroux that a British comedian is a sexual perpetrator. It is now believed that she was talking about Russell brand. She said on the video "when it eventually comes out about these type of people, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this unmentionable British personality, it turns out that everyone knew. Everyone knew. ". I was wondering did anyone on here on mumsnet know anything about Russell brand? A lot of us lived in London when her was living there. And many women on here would have been a similar age to Russell brand . I lived in London for a year and I saw Russell brand out on a night out once. That was the extent of it. I was wondering did anyone on here have any experience with him, or know about a friend/acquaintance that had any experiences with him.

etherealfae · 19/09/2023 07:23

grayhairdontcare · 19/09/2023 07:18

I think we can all agree that RB is not a child abuser.
Sleeping with a 16 year old when you are 30 is disgusting but not child abuse.
If it is classed as child abuse then " Alice "
Has a serious conversation to have with her mother who knew about the relationship and actually spoke to RB on the phone.

referring to her as 'The child' and making her read the book Lolita is where i struggle with people excusing her age. Obviously very predatory actions

Takoneko · 19/09/2023 07:24

grayhairdontcare · 19/09/2023 07:18

I think we can all agree that RB is not a child abuser.
Sleeping with a 16 year old when you are 30 is disgusting but not child abuse.
If it is classed as child abuse then " Alice "
Has a serious conversation to have with her mother who knew about the relationship and actually spoke to RB on the phone.

We can’t all agree on that. This has been done to death on this thread.
Sleeping with a 16 year old who consents is not child abuse… forcing your penis down the throat of a 16 year old who does not consent is child abuse. Just like having sex with your wife or partner with their consent is not domestic abuse… but raping or sexually assaulting them is.
Its concerning that so many people don’t know what the term child abuse means.

Merrymouse · 19/09/2023 07:37

grayhairdontcare · 19/09/2023 07:18

I think we can all agree that RB is not a child abuser.
Sleeping with a 16 year old when you are 30 is disgusting but not child abuse.
If it is classed as child abuse then " Alice "
Has a serious conversation to have with her mother who knew about the relationship and actually spoke to RB on the phone.

I’m surprised that you know that Alice’s mother spoke to Brand, but haven’t picked up that specific sex acts were not consensual.

From the reporting, her mother did warn Alice about the relationship, but short of locking her in the house it’s not clear what she could do to prevent it. Alice was a recovering anorexic so was vulnerable, and I would assume that her mother thought her daughter was safer if she was still communicating with her parents.

Whereforartthoudave · 19/09/2023 07:59

There’s a certain type of bloke defending him - the ‘it could be any of us’ type, the ‘ you can’t say anything anymore’ type.

For some reason they equate not being able to call female co-workers love or darling anymore, or no-one finding mother -in-law jokes funny anymore with accusations of sexual assault and rape.

it could only be ‘any’ man if they’re sexual predators like Brand. The likes of Musk, Lawrence Fox and Andrew Tate lining up to stand with Brand says all you need to know about whether or not he’s likely to be guilty of what he’s accused of.

ehupo7 · 19/09/2023 08:05

Whereforartthoudave · 19/09/2023 07:59

There’s a certain type of bloke defending him - the ‘it could be any of us’ type, the ‘ you can’t say anything anymore’ type.

For some reason they equate not being able to call female co-workers love or darling anymore, or no-one finding mother -in-law jokes funny anymore with accusations of sexual assault and rape.

it could only be ‘any’ man if they’re sexual predators like Brand. The likes of Musk, Lawrence Fox and Andrew Tate lining up to stand with Brand says all you need to know about whether or not he’s likely to be guilty of what he’s accused of.

No it doesn’t.

He may well be guilty (I certainly found the allegations credible). But someone dodgy like Tate tweeting their support online, which is entirely out of his control, has no bearing on whether it happened or not.

Merrymouse · 19/09/2023 08:10

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 01:24

He's been called a conspiracy theorist merely for questioning mainstream narratives. Anyone who does that is a 'conspiracy theorist' apparently.

Except there's no 'theory' about it - every topic he covers on his YT channel he backs up with official govt statistics, financial reports, studies in The Lancet, BMJ and other such organisations, depending on what he's talking about. I strongly believe - as do MANY others - that these allegations are an attempt to get him cancelled.

I also find it interesting how most people who dismiss him as a 'conspiracy theorist 'have never watched any of his content.

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Except the investigation started back in 2019.

Much evidence re: Brand’s treatment of women comes directly from Brand himself. Ironically he does seem to have been very clear about that. No ‘just asking questions’ there. I agree that on that matter, his words should have taken him more seriously.

This is a news story because his behaviour was tolerated for so long, even though it was an open secret. Ironically this is a story about institutions, but not a conspiracy story - just a story about how this behaviour can exist in cultures where there are so many reasons to turn a blind eye, and Channel 4, an institution that has been partly responsible for that culture is broadcasting the story.

There is no big conspiracy against Brand , just ‘this is the story , we want to tell it’.

bombastix · 19/09/2023 08:11

If you get a bloke defending Brand's attitudes to women then I would be avoiding that man. His defenders most likely have their own motivations.

Men who act like him should be persona non grata. But they are not. I would expect many similar slime balls to do that.

Much harder time with the women who defend him. Slime ball women... ugh

RonObvious · 19/09/2023 08:13

Physiologicalmalfunction · 18/09/2023 22:57

perhaps it is time to up that age of ‘consent’.

No, no no nooooo. Seriously, I had loads of lovely consentual sex age 16 with my boyfriend (we lasted 8 years). No, raising the age of consent is not the answer,. The answer is to make young people much much much stronger and more aware of predatory people who may exploit them. It's a valuable lesson at any age anyway.

Why is it always about changing the behaviour of the potential victims, rather than the abusers? Women should be stronger, stand up for themselves, yet dress modestly, not get drunk, not go out after dark, no be alone with men…

Maybe we should make it simpler and less traumatic for women to being men to justice for sex crimes. Why is it not acceptable for men to be told “if you don’t want to be accused of rape, be absolutely sure that your partner consents and is comfortable.” So, maybe don’t target drunk women, much younger women, lie to women to get them into bed, or in any way coerce them into sex.

Why is men falsely being accused of rape seen as a bigger issue than men getting away with it?

Piglet89 · 19/09/2023 08:17

@Merrymouse ah I see, sorry: I didn’t know that.

ehupo7 · 19/09/2023 08:18

Merrymouse · 19/09/2023 08:10

Except the investigation started back in 2019.

Much evidence re: Brand’s treatment of women comes directly from Brand himself. Ironically he does seem to have been very clear about that. No ‘just asking questions’ there. I agree that on that matter, his words should have taken him more seriously.

This is a news story because his behaviour was tolerated for so long, even though it was an open secret. Ironically this is a story about institutions, but not a conspiracy story - just a story about how this behaviour can exist in cultures where there are so many reasons to turn a blind eye, and Channel 4, an institution that has been partly responsible for that culture is broadcasting the story.

There is no big conspiracy against Brand , just ‘this is the story , we want to tell it’.

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It sounded like Jumpingthruhoops was talking solely about the way in which his online output (YT, etc) has been characterised

bombastix · 19/09/2023 08:19

Well he's just lost his YouTube channels. Good

ehupo7 · 19/09/2023 08:22

ehupo7 · 19/09/2023 08:18

It sounded like Jumpingthruhoops was talking solely about the way in which his online output (YT, etc) has been characterised

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Sorry, missed this bit on first reading:

”I strongly believe - as do MANY others - that these allegations are an attempt to get him cancelled.“

Ignore my last post

CurlewKate · 19/09/2023 08:22

When his "Booky Wook" came out a well known woman comedian (not Katherine Ryan) tweeted that it ought to be called "My Rapey Rape" The tweet was taken down very quickly.

Whichwhich · 19/09/2023 08:25

bombastix · 19/09/2023 08:19

Well he's just lost his YouTube channels. Good

Brilliant.

Merrymouse · 19/09/2023 08:25

Piglet89 · 19/09/2023 08:17

@Merrymouse ah I see, sorry: I didn’t know that.

That’s the context of the word choice - still not clear that he used it correctly/honestly though!

Namechangedtoanswerthisone · 19/09/2023 08:39

Some of the worst man operate in plain sight. They throw their I have sex with anyone around so if anyone suggests they did anything people will say well he was quite open about it, he didn't hide it did he.

However, although some women threw themselves at him, clearly having watched the documentary not all women did and the near rape of a friend/colleague which she mentioned was overheard by another/at least 1 man, the alleged rape of another, etc etc is a different matter. These should not be popped in the well you knew what he was like box.

Namechangedtoanswerthisone · 19/09/2023 08:41

The conspiracy theorists out there have stated he 'was getting close to the truth and the people in charge didn't like it so he had to be cancelled' some people will never believe that their god of the truth might actually also rape or sexually assault! Crazy people

Namechangedtoanswerthisone · 19/09/2023 08:45

Takoneko · 19/09/2023 07:24

We can’t all agree on that. This has been done to death on this thread.
Sleeping with a 16 year old who consents is not child abuse… forcing your penis down the throat of a 16 year old who does not consent is child abuse. Just like having sex with your wife or partner with their consent is not domestic abuse… but raping or sexually assaulting them is.
Its concerning that so many people don’t know what the term child abuse means.

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Exactly, forcing his penis down her throat and making her gag and her mascara run is sexual assault. She said no. The fact that she had sex with him that was consensual doesn't mean he can do anything else he likes to her body.

We all have the right to say yes to some sex acts and no to other sex acts. She clearly states that some was consensual and other acts were not wanted but he did them anyway and then laughed about them.

bombastix · 19/09/2023 08:46

I wonder what it is like in his naice, upper middle class English village with his naice pet wife and daughters.

In case anyone thinks he changed, he's a man who bakes a cake of his wife's genitalia on national TV.

He can turn it on and off depending on your relative importance to him. I've no doubt he was absolutely charming to anyone who can help him.

JustMyOpinion25 · 19/09/2023 09:23

Youtube have demonetized RB account, but they have not removed any content and he is still free to post more content.

Orangebadger · 19/09/2023 09:24

@Namechangedtoanswerthisone he laughed and he also used gagging a woman with his penis and making their mascara run as a joke in one of his stand ups. Just vile.

JustMyOpinion25 · 19/09/2023 09:25

bombastix · 19/09/2023 08:19

Well he's just lost his YouTube channels. Good

Not true, his channel is still there, youtube have demonetized his channel.... He can still upload videos, all his past videos are still there.

Orangebadger · 19/09/2023 09:30

CurlewKate · 19/09/2023 08:22

When his "Booky Wook" came out a well known woman comedian (not Katherine Ryan) tweeted that it ought to be called "My Rapey Rape" The tweet was taken down very quickly.

Yes according to Daniel Sloss, many female comedians had put jokes about RB with significant implications underlying them in their acts. They were all cancelled with threats of litigation. Yet he can say what he wants. How is anyone given this much power to cancel others while they themselves go so far over the line?

notlucreziaborgia · 19/09/2023 09:34

I think it’s interesting (vaguely, anyway) that MSM is deemed untrustworthy, but Russell Brand of all people supposedly is. Based on what, exactly? Confirmation bias?

Something being anathema to the accepted narrative does not make it true, and believing it doesn’t make one intelligent, enlightened, or incredulous.

Bingbangbongbash · 19/09/2023 09:38

RockyBroadway · 18/09/2023 21:25

I don’t care. I would still put my head above the parapet and say it. You can argue back with me, but this is my personal morality. Rape is one of the worst crimes and if I thought I could put it out there to potentially warn other women, I would. And yes, I’d rather sink my career and do the right thing. Because to me, I couldn’t live with myself knowing I said nothing and someone else got raped. But that’s just my personal feelings on the matter.

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Well aren’t you lucky you have enough of a safety net to trash your career without worrying about eating or paying rent.

For the young adults who have slogged for years to get a foot in the door of a career that offers no job security (all short term contracts with 1 week notice period), no professional development (you have to be lucky enough to find a mentor who will promote you, and you learn on the job - there’s no official training) and is entirely based on word of mouth hiring (so reputation is often more important than skill set, especially on the lower rungs), it isn’t that easy.

Added to that they won’t be believed and even if they are, they are highly replaceable, unlike the ‘talent’ whose name is on the show.

Then you have the degrees of awfulness - a crude comment here or a wink there - report it? It happens to someone else but they seem to be laughing along - do I still report it because it seems wrong? Is it my right to impose my moral standards on someone else’s experience?

These men build up to the rapes and SA, emboldened by getting away with smaller transgressions, but it is not for the young, inexperienced, unworldly runners to have to call it out - there needs to be a top down cultural shift that makes any sort of inappropriate behaviour unacceptable. To do that, the notion of untouchable talent needs to go.