(Covid) To think these recommendations are bonkers?

[NoCharnce]

So the government commission into how to memorialise the Covid pandemic has recommended the government implement “A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.”

Other recommendations include national memorials (10 sites already identified!), oral histories and museums plus additional funding for local authorities to set up their own memorials.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is nuts and hope the government ignores the recommendations? I genuinely cannot believe people get paid to produce this crap.

'Friend of mine who worked on covid wards and was exhausted and not seeing her family said it really kept her going
You do NOT speak for everyone'

Never said I did! And I know that plenty of individual people were very sincere about expressing genuine thanks to the NHS. I was working on a COVID ward myself at the time. I still think it was behaviour that was more appropriate for a primary school class than for grown adults, but it was an exceptionally weird time

@LoobyDop

"I actually think it’s really important that we don’t forget about the mass hysteria and the world going collectively nuts, for the reasons you’ve outlined here. I’m not prepared to write that off as “oh yes, but we were scared so we get a free pass”. Bad decisions were made, that weren’t needed, that hurt people. People were treated really badly. It wasn’t ok, and not everyone was too caught up in terror to realise that at the time."

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Whilst I don't disagree with you from a factual perspective you have to recognise that for many people from a psychological perspective given a choice between a) openly admitting that they were lied to, got caught up with and were willing participants in the mass hysteria or b) let's just forget about it and pretend it never happened. Then most people will go for Option B.

It's a bit like after WW2 in Germany the Allied soldiers couldn't find hardly anyone who openly admitted to supporting or accepting the Nazi regime. Most preferred to try and forget about the whole thing.

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There are some Mumsnet posts that should be included in any sort of future Covid museum!

For example, the ones were users were told they were selfish and thoughtless for going to the shops to get bread and milk - as it's not "essential".

The crazy "bleach your shopping" crowd also deserve a mention. Not forgetting the nasty note writers who targeted any neighbours not stupid enough to bang some pots and pans around and 7pm of an evening - because that really MADE A DIFFERENCE!

I think your first paragraph is absolutely right, that’s definitely how people are choosing to deal with it. Just because it’s explicable and understandable doesn’t make it right, though. And it isn’t wholly what happened in Germany after the war, either. It might have been the reaction of many individuals, but as a nation there was a huge amount of reflection and effort to ensure it couldn’t happen again, for decades. It’s only quite recently that younger generations have started to say it’s in the past and they aren’t going to accept responsibility (reasonably, as none of them were even born at the time).

And often died in infancy or if they survived that, by their 40s of something you'd get a routine vaccination for now.

Only if they make him look really sexy.

Well if the opinions of poster during the pandemic are to be believed then the reason that Covid is still in circulation is because "we didn't lock down hard enough" to achieve "zero Covid".

As if we weren't all traumatised enough!

The best memorial for me would be justice for the families of those who died of Covid who were effectively sent to their death in old people's homes without testing, or because of inaction in early March.

Though my lifelong opposition to the death penalty prevents my supporting the hanging of Boris Johnson.

Whilst a truly believe that only a very very small number of conspiracy theorists denied the actual existence of Covid, what I found very disturbing was that any criticism at the time of the Covid measures was met with accusations of being "a Covid denier" or "anti vaxx". It was very akin to shouting "witch" when anyone raised a counter prevailing viewpoint.

The comparison is very silly. The world denounced the Nazis, there is no consensus on the lockdowns.

Also I have found most people are quite happy to acknowledge that things were a bit much even if they supported it at the time.

I was furious about the measures for a number of reasons but they were never very popular ones. My issue could be summed up best with a succient tweet I saw at the time "There is no lockdown, just poor people bringing things to wealthy people". And, yep, that was how it was. The whole lockdown narrative was hijacked by the middle class who were working from home. All the jokes and discourse were about Teams and WFH culture shock etc.

We acted like the only people not working were the key workers and front line health and social care (of which I was one) ignoring factory workers and order pickers (in none food settings) who were packed to the rafters.

My primary issue was principle. I remember being so grateful for those absolute cranks who were protesting and deliberately goading thr police into arresting them. They were nutters for sure but they were the only ones who were challenging the insane loss of civil liberties. I was genuinely horrified that so few people were willing to challenge the measures on principle.

I don't need to believe covid was a lie or a pys op or whatever (to be clear I don't think it was either) to be against the government restricting our personal life and effectively handing powers to private bodies to allow them to restrict our movements.

It was awful. I lost friends over this. They were friends I made through activism, I still can't follow their logic but I think it was "the right wing don't want to take vaccines/have lockdown ergo we should force people to do it"

Fuck what the right wing think. What do you think and why?

A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.

Does this mean that we will have a mandatory 3 minutes' silence every year? I remember the ones we used to have for 9/11. A friend's father was killed in it and he utterly hated the 3 minutes' silence. Having someone patrol the office to make sure that everyone was properly observing the silence didn't feel respectful or helpful.

Absolutely this!

There was no rational discussion to be had with many people. You were either fully on board with the government’s (often contradictory) messages or you were a tin foil hat wearing raving lunatic that couldn’t understand science.

I’m going to admit it here….I clapped on my doorstep for the first couple of Thursdays and I don’t regret it. It was such a weird, scary, isolating time and those two or three minutes were, to my mind, a way of communities feeling heard and connected in a world that had gone silent (at least where I live it had, it was like Christmas Day on the roads every day). We felt powerless and taking part in the clapping and seeing my neighbours do the same actually moved me.
I didn’t for one minute think that it was a replacement for a properly funded nhs. I didn’t for one minute think that anyone should be berated for not doing it. But I don’t look back on those couple of weeks with embarrassment because at the time it felt like a moving thing to be part of.

Well aren't you a special sort of person.

I wonder if you'd be so dismissive if half your family dies in the next pandemic eh? Apparently premature death is fine when it happens to other people.

Your laughing emoji implied otherwise

Anyway this thread is where all those who think they were so clever and challenged the rrroooolz now hang out
Yiu woukd have thought they had moved on to minimising climate change by now

'Your laughing emoji implied otherwise'

Oh well, now you know

It’s not reasonable for the population to commit ritual suicide economically and in terms of health both mental and physical because a virus kills a small percentage of elderly people. I’m sorry if you’ve suffered personal loss. But decent people don’t ask the world to stop turning based on unproven lockdown efficacy.

I’d put your type of post in the black mirror Covid museum. “You wouldn’t say that if your dad/mum/aunt died” No one suggested abandoning their hopes and dreams to avoid hypothetical elderly deaths in flu season, harsh as it sounds, I ain’t prepared to do it now.

@InterFactual

"Well aren't you a special sort of person.

I wonder if you'd be so dismissive if half your family dies in the next pandemic eh? Apparently premature death is fine when it happens to other people."

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Whilst not dismissive of any death my concern is that the measures taken against Covid will cause far more deaths from other diseases where diagnosis was missed such as heart conditions, cancer, suicide etc than those who died from Covid. And this is before we get on to the topic of economic and educational damage.

www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2023/june/100000-excess-deaths-cardiovascular-disease

I didn't see any mention of one in the consultation proposals. It doesn't seem like the best idea to me. Not sure it'd be observed.

Not changed my mind. You laughed at something that brought people comfort

... and I'm pleased to say it didn't disappoint. So many absolutely seething, vicious, bonkers posters in one place.

'Not changed my mind. You laughed at something that brought people comfort'

It wasn't my laughing emoji! You've got your wires crossed. Go back and read those posts properly