(Covid) To think these recommendations are bonkers?

[NoCharnce]

So the government commission into how to memorialise the Covid pandemic has recommended the government implement “A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.”

Other recommendations include national memorials (10 sites already identified!), oral histories and museums plus additional funding for local authorities to set up their own memorials.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is nuts and hope the government ignores the recommendations? I genuinely cannot believe people get paid to produce this crap.

I mean forcing people to stay in their houses unless the army allow them to go shopping would be seen, rightly, as a massive human rights violation in most western countries

A government that uses the army to suppress the populace is not a government we should wish for. I said while during the pandemic that some people are just gagging to live in a police state and it appears some of them still are.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

I think it needs to be in the public consciousness because of the level of risk we face from future disease outbreaks.

You can hear the complacency on this thread - I’m never doing that again, it was an outrage, all totally unnecessary, hardly anyone died.

If we get a broad swathe of that in future it’s going to be really difficult to protect people.

So having awareness and education about the pandemic, impact on people (bereavement, ill health, work stress etc), control measures, roll out of therapeutics… it would all aid to keep the compliant on side (vast majority >90%) and dampen down dissent in the complacent minority.

I guess in theory it doesn't matter too much how the food gets distributed if everyone can feel confident they'll have enough. The supply chain must've kept working ok.

On the public buy in part, that's why all bets are off in an outbreak with high pathogenicity. It really will depend on what people want to do. And a lot of that is likely to be influenced not only by the research but by people's views on whether the negatives of lockdown are worth the positives. A lot of the effects of both covid and restrictions are yet to play out. Which is why I think it's all so speculative.

So having awareness and education about the pandemic, impact on people (bereavement, ill health, work stress etc), control measures, roll out of therapeutics… it would all aid to keep the compliant on side (vast majority >90%) and dampen down dissent in the complacent minority

'Keep the compliant on side and dampen down dissent'? and how is dampening down of dissent going to happen, exactly?

*I think it needs to be in the public consciousness because of the level of risk we face from future disease outbreaks.

You can hear the complacency on this thread - I’m never doing that again, it was an outrage, all totally unnecessary, hardly anyone died*

Yes, well I don't think it does, thanks. Especially not the sort of manipulation of public discourse and social control over people and the suppression of those you regard as 'dissident.'

We had enough of that during the pandemic.

@TrashedSofa

A lot of the effects of both covid and restrictions are yet to play out. Which is why I think it's all so speculative.

This is it 100%

The results from longitudinal studies aren’t in yet, should expect circa 2026 and of course there will be further studies and longterm monitoring on top of that as to health effects.

The inquiry should finish up around 2026 too. Anyone can submit their opinions online about the covid era. These accounts will all be collated together.

I think the best that we can hope for is that there is genuine learning from what went on and a proper hierarchy of responsibility and planning to give us proportionate restriction/protection in the event of future outbreaks.

It would be nice to think that there would be a clear plan and something the public would have confidence in future.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

A government that uses the army to suppress the populace is not a government we should wish for. I said while during the pandemic that some people are just gagging to live in a police state and it appears some of them still are.

Goodness, calm down. Gagging to live in a police state? What. A silly thing to say.

Even worse was the people on FB moaning that number 6 didn’t come out to clap even though we can see their light are on and the car is there. How disrespectful to all our hard key workers.

Yeah, cos they are NHS shift workers trying to relax you morons.

Goodness, calm down. Gagging to live in a police state? What. A silly thing to say

I can only assume you weren't reading some threads on here and other SM during the pandemic, because 'gagging for a police state' in no way exaggerates what some people wanted.

And piss off with your 'calm down, and 'silly thing to say' as well.

Nope, I was. No-one expressed a wish for a police state.

One poster was quite extreme. One. But this one poster has somehow morphed into 'lots'.

And no. Your last few posts have been insulting to those who did live with police at their doors. Just be a little less dramatic.

And no. Your last few posts have been insulting to those who did live with police at their doors. Just be a little less dramatic

I'm not interested in your opinions on what I think or how I post.

I think I'd rather take my chances with disease than having soldiers guarding people at gun point and buying my groceries for me. Sri Lanka were batshit. They mandated masks outdoors well in to post vaccine 2022 under the threat of prison. It was bad enough our police dyeing lakes and following people with drones.

Sparkle Do you really want me to link old threads from the run up to Christmas 2020. There was plenty of people practically having orgasms over the thought of coercively controlling others

"Considering flagrant disregard for vaccination/lockdown rules led to a prolonged exhausting experience in the U.K. At the time I did wish for things like mandatory vaccination and more controls because people (including in gov) were taking the absolute piss and it just drew the whole thing out in agonising fashion"

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197835/mobile-data-shows-high-compliance-with/

As you can see the data is from Imperial College London. Same place where they did the modelling that led to the lockdowns So im sure you wont argue with it cos that may look like cherry picking the bits of data you want to believe

@JenniferBooth I remember the "do what they say and will be over sooner" schtick, classic abuser language.

Oh yes i remember that and the "wear a mask so we wont need another lockdown" "the November lockdown will help with Christmas"

Its like these interventions made little or no difference!

Exactly and i think the compliance without question led to more restrictions

@JenniferBooth ….. you’ve tagged the wrong person here

@JenniferBooth

what that says is that initially lockdown complicate was high… then “the amount of daily movement increased steadily at a rate which appears to be accelerating over time."

So people got tired of it pretty quick and over time non compliance increased.

What’s your background to this in terms of interest?

Also I love that somebody got coercive control in here!!

The same people ranting and raving about lockdown taking their liberty obviously the same who’ve latched on to the current obsession with “everyone’s abusing and controlling me whhhaaa”

Brilliant.

That’s fair enough if you want that @Everanewbie I don’t fancy bleeding to death from my orifices so I’m happy enough to rely on the cops should something that dodgy come along.

I will leave you, @JenniferBooth to congratulate yourselves on your superior insight into the situation. And thank god that there will be others in charge if and when the time comes. Good luck.

Chris Whitty himself said compliance would wane over a LONG period of time. And Lucy Easthope who has more than 20 years experience in pandemic planning referred to the restrictions and the chopping and changing of rules as psychological abuse So as you are so interested in backgrounds you can check out hers cant you?!

Oh and you know what definately wont get compliance next time is minimizing the sacrifices people made this time. Dismissing the difficulties ppl went through this time. Saying its not good enough to wear a mask and moan about it We have to be happy about it and not dare mention it. THIS is likely to cause less compliance IMO not fucking Partygate.

I distinctly remember a poster advocating bringing out the army to stop people visiting other households during Christmas 2020.

Every time I see that username, I have a mini flashback to that post

@JenniferBooth you’ve been wafting in and out of threads like this for the last few years making noise about your discontent.

You use terms like cherry picking and cite papers as if you have authority, but as far as I can tell this is merely emulating other people who actually have degrees in this field who come onto threads and pass comment. And you’ve latched onto the Lucy Easthope train because it fits your agenda.

I never said the conditions were perfect.
I pointed out that we were lacking in even basic pandemic preparedness such as adequate PPE.

But I still think that people who are qualified trying to make the best of a terrible situation is better than a bunch of people with no education experience, or even a biology gcse in some cases trying to shout the odds.

It wasn’t perfect and mistakes will have been made. There is now a period of assessment to evaluate what went right/wrong to prepare for the future which I think is appropriate.

And opportunities for the public to reflect and learn alongside strengthening R&D and cohesion between the scientific community and policymakers which is also very appropriate.

You can rant and rave all you want. But it’s just noise and doesn’t actually get anything done.