A side of a passport or a birth certificate is there any other way of proving eligibility to work in the UK?

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I’m obviously just posting here for traffic

It's their business because they say so. Every country has it's own rules on how nationalities and passports work, and its standard that you inform each country of nationality what others you hold.
In many you are not allowed to hold mutliple and would be forced to renounce one to gain another, so count yourself lucky that you get to have more than one at all!

The OP's child's birth abroad could only be registered abroad, not in the UK. Foreign births of British Citizens literally can't be registered in the UK, only at the consulate abroad, and they confirm nothing except the birth.

The UK doesn't care how many nationalities anyone has, and doesn't comment on other countries' nationalities- and legislation. No border officer

That's why I find it odd that the Consulate abroad is insisting that that country's document is renewed first. (If I've understood correctly)

Consular document renewals generally do take longer as they are sent to a central office which may be in another country. There's also always been a slight potential issue in that consular staff are employed by the Foreign Office for the most part whilst passport issue is the Home Office.

@Fuckingfuming1 the registration people are talking about is consular birth registration. That does not confirm nationality in itself, (it doesn't say on it that the person is a British Citizen) though many places would accept it as such, and I'm not sure at 23 you'd be able to do it anyway.

Well let’s be honest about this they all want to know where you’re going and what you’re doing and where you are. It’s not entirely unreasonable.

@HicIocusEst it’s the other way round the BRITs want the foreign passport resolved first.

Presumably because she had to fly from that country to the UK on that passport, because they wouldn’t let her out on the British one, because she came in on the foreign one.

Anybody in Sydney considering a fling, can I advise against strongly.

@boromu222 the British Immigration authorities may be alerted and wish to check a person's other nationalities if something nefarious is suspected, but the Passport Office simply issues passports on the basis of eligibility.

Immigration, Nationality, and passports are three completely separate bodies. There is sometimes crossover, but dual/triple/quadruple nationality obtained legally isn't an issue for the UK and no questions (other than the pro forma "do you hold another nationality?" question on various forms (and this, for passports, is more to ensure the person requesting the passport can travel on their other document while they wait for their UK one) would ever be looked into.

That may be different of course in other countries, many don't allow dual nationality, but the UK authorities (all things being equal= unless it's suspected that one or more of the docs has been obtained fraudulently or erroneously) will not comment on that, because it's not relevant.

Pps are correct- technically there is nothing to stop you entering and leaving on different passports. Practically this may have repercussions (stamps, resulting as overstaying when that isn't the case etc) but technically, it's fine.

Yes, I understood that.
The British consulate in Australia? But your daughter is in the UK?

To be fair, we have only travelled between England and France via the Eurotunnel, so you go through two lots of border control one after the other. We show their French passports to French border control and their UK passports to UK border control. We've never tried flying and I doubt we will ever fly to the UK so it's unlikely to be an issue.

@boromu222the British Immigration authorities may be alerted and wish to check a person's other nationalities if something nefarious is suspected, but the Passport Office simply issues passports on the basis of eligibility

The fact that OPs dd can't get her new British passport without sorting out her other passport shows you are wrong on that score.

Immigration, nationality and passports are NOT seperate, there is massive overlap, they are entirely interlinked.

I've been at the Nationality office (UK) since February 1991.

Well then you really should know better!

Yeah, so she’s booked in to go to London to speak to the consulate there mid October. Once she’s got both passports, she is never to lose them again. I can’t take this.

I disagree, tbh. I don't think it's any of their business. Their business is in ensuring that only people who have British citizenship can get a UK passport, and that the details on that passport are correct.

You could travel to Ireland without a passport, so no, they don't know where you are and they don't need to. You can travel across the whole of the Schengen area without needing a passport, and the governments of the 30 or so countries in the Schengen area seem to cope perfectly well not knowing where their citizens are at any given time, nor do they ask for your other passports at renewal time. If they don't need this information, neither does the Home Office.

nor do they ask for your other passports at renewal time
Mine does. I was fined for not giving old one back 2x😂 It's their property as they explained

Edit: lf you meant old passport, sorry if you meant other country's one

Only because Ireland and UK has the CTA. There are rules for everything.
It's not up to you to decide what is the business of the passport office, or what they need to know.

And you can't travel across the Schengen area without needing a passport, if you are British. EU citizens can, and they don't need to know where other EU citizens are because they all have freedom of movement in the EU. And yes, many EU countries DO ask you for your other passports at renewal time.

Fraid you're wrong on many counts there!

There wouldn't be any link via the UK document, the only information held behind the scenes on ours is how the holder is eligible to have a UK ppt (so, in the OP's case, her daughter obtaining her BC through her mother)

It might be different for the foreign one though.

"And you can't travel across the Schengen area without needing a passport, if you are British"

You can, once you have crossed the first border with your UK ppt.

@HicIocusEst they’re absolutely is a link. She has previously left the UK on her Australian passport gone to France tried to come back into the UK on her Australian passport. I’m been allowed in because they were able to confirm that she was allowed into the UK.

When my boyfriend from Australia has previously travelled to the UK gone to Europe and come back in again, he’s had to fill out a form to request a Visa to enter the UK.
So there is clearly a link.

Clearly, a link between the Aussie passport in the UK border control I meant.

Just because they think it's their business and they have ways of making you jump through hoops doesn't mean that it is actually their business or that this level of intrusion into people's affairs is legitimate.

I would query whether she needs to update her foreign one. When I updated my British passport, my foreign one was expired (and under a different name). They made a bit of a fuss, but eventually put me through to someone more senior who was able to get it issued with a note on it that states that I hold an expired passport of x nationality under y name.

Computer says no but sometimes supervisor can say yes.

In any case, even a photocopy of the expired old British passport should do as a right to work proof. She can also demonstrate that her new one is under process.

And they clearly must know about the Australian passport at the British passport office. Otherwise none of this would be happening because she didn’t volunteer the information she just asked for a passport to be renewed.

I think the moral of the story is, don’t let your passport expire.

@CatherinedeBourgh it’s because it’s a child to adult one. Any changes they want up today identification. I already tried throwing a dicky fit. This is costing me a fortune.

Oh yes, there may be if there's a query over her right to be in the UK.

I think, what is happening, is that her Australian ppt doesn't contain info about her right to live in the UK?

Has she actually called the Immigration helpline? (Going back to her proving her right to work) Apologies if that's a stupid question but if she entered on an Australian ppt so is registered as a non-Brit in the UK, that might be why she is being asked to jump through hoops wrt providing evidence of what she knows is true- that as a BC she can live and work in the UK.

I'd ring (if she hasn't already)
Immigration
DWP

It all seems not to be a ppt/nationality issue fundamentally but an immigration status one as someone who is initially entered on a non UK ppt.

Good luck!

Agree with this.

she had to fly from that (foreign) country to the UK on that passport, because they wouldn’t let her out on the British one, because she came in on the foreign one.
She has previously left the UK on her Australian passport gone to France tried to come back into the UK on her Australian passport

@Fuckingfuming1 - She really mustn't leave and enter the UK on a foreign passport if she is living here!

The Home Office will have recorded her as a foreign visitor when she entered on her Australian passport. She should have used her expired British passport in an emergency.

But really, if she is British, living in the UK and wants to travel abroad, she needs a current, valid British passport.

@PaminaMozart I completely agree, but she has been to America and back on the British passport since so it’s not like the last time she used any passport was when she came back into Britain on the Aussie one, so she should’ve left after six months. They know she’s here.
I’ve told is, she’s getting both passports resolved and then she’s giving me the Australian one so that she can’t be tempted to bugger it up again. Unless she is going to Australia. She does not need the Australian passport 🤦‍♀️