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To think she's a CF?

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nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 16:42

My 12 year old has a school friend. This girl frequently comes home from school with DD and I feed her, care for her, she sleeps here etc when her mum's 'busy'.
She's a nice kid, but prone to a lack of respect at times. She refers to me as her second mum which is slightly odd but somewhat endearing. It's probably why I let some of her behaviour slide. Like, for example, she'll decide she needs a shower and will go in to my en-suite and help herself to my very expensive shampoo and conditioner. She takes them back to DD's bathroom, where after use she'll leave them thrown on the floor along with her wet towels. Apparently the shampoo and condition I provide for my own daughter isn't good enough for her hair type.

Anyway. On Friday after school my DD calls. Can her friend come over? Okay I say. They turn up just before dinner..... and this kid has been here ever since. She left about ten minutes ago after announcing 'I'm going! My mum's outside in the car. We're off out for dinner, bye!' Then out the front door she trots, wearing my daughter's hoodie, socks and sliders. I doubt I'll see those again. 🙄 I asked DD if she was invited out for dinner too. She wasn't.

This bothers me, and I'll tell you why. On Friday evening she tells me her mum is out in town in a date. DP and I exchanged a glance. So we are both aware that her mum's off with a new fella thus she needs the childcare and so sent her kid here.

On Saturday early eve the girls ask if they can go out and ask for money for food and drink. I send £20 to this girl's account because DD doesn't have a bank card yet and I didn't want to hand mine over.
They head off to the garden of a local very reasonably priced chain pub for a coke and a pizza before going on to meet friends at the park.

My daughter calls later on to ask for a lift home. I say no, it's still light and you're a ten minute walk away, see you shortly. She chats about their evening and says they asked her friend's mum for a lift home to ours but she was 'too drunk'. When they arrived at the pub she was already there drinking apparently.

Am I unreasonable to think that if you're going to palm your child off on someone else all weekend so you can go out to the pub and go on dates, and you've very much aware that someone else has given your daughter money for a meal out, then the very least you can do is get out of your car, come to the door and say thanks for having my child all weekend. And if you want to take your kid out for dinner afterwards, that's fine. But don't tell your DD this plan until you're well away from the house you left them at all weekend. Otherwise you just look like a massive CF!

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justwatchingtelly · 17/09/2023 22:54

@nopainnogain1 I understand exactly where you are coming from, and think you sound exceptionally kind. I'm sorry you have had such a hard time on here.

I had a similar upbringing and ended up in care. My good friends mum was incredibly kind to me, and only raised her voice to me once (brand new white towels, home hair dye kit... you get the picture). Her love and acceptance really made such an enormous difference to me, and continues to do so.

I would sit her down, with DD and DP, and explain that whilst she is welcome to stay here, there are rules which must be followed, such as mess on the floor and that your en suite is completely out of bounds. If she feels unable to abide by this, then the consequence is that you will have to put a stop to such freedoms during her (daytime) visits. You can all sign an agreement, and stick it inside the bathroom cupboard.

Children who come from homes such as this often need a strict framework to help them to feel secure and loved. I have no doubt that she loves you, and is pushing you to see how far she can go. Equally, by pushing back, she will learn where the limits are, but importantly ,that you can still have a positive relationship while she learns appropriate courtesy.

The CF mother sounds awful. The not knocking on the door to say hello and thank you would really annoy me. I would have low expectations for any respectful return there.

Crumpleton · 17/09/2023 23:07

While I haven't read all the thread posts like this on any social media sites where the parent/s are neglecting their children be it not being there for them, choosing their own needs before their children's or just generally expecting Joe public to bring them up will always bring out an array of different opinions.

There may be a multitude of different reasons/excuses being trotted out, it's not the child's fault, the parent/s may not be intelligent enough to know what's what, parents may have suffered when they were younger to name a few.
There may indeed be cases it's possibly true but in SOME cases it is just CFery and some genuinely don't give a shite about their kids, but unfortunately they also know once they've managed to get others to feel sorry for them and take pity they've reeled them in and it's to late hence they've got someone else to look after their child, which in this case it does sound like it here so no matter how much you're peeved at her mother it's not going to bother her one bit.

Now there's nothing wrong if that person is genuinely struggling, it's good to be able to help and offer guidence but when kindness is mistaken for weakness and you're having the piss ripped out of you that's the time to take a step back, you're on a hiding to know where.

OP if this young girl was grateful that you're taking her under your wing she'd show you some respect, especially after you've already asked her not to use your toiletries, if you're set on helping her then do so by sitting her down and having a house rule chat don't just expect her to understand these things if she hasn't been taught them and then if she still carries on behaving in such a way it looks like you'll have to decide whether to let her continue to show you that she's not up for rules and will do as she pleases or take a stand and put an end to it.

Floppyelf · 17/09/2023 23:15

Totalwasteofpaper · 17/09/2023 18:33

Not your problem.
And this girl is old enough to recognise you are doing her a solid and is taking the piss. If she was grateful ot would be another thing entirely.

The shampoo and conditioner is a very clear FUCK.YOU.

No way would I tolerate this.
She sounds like right madam and I wouldn't want this child near mine and certainly nould not be encouraging this friendship.

regarding your child's clothes I'd have turned her around and told her to go upstairs and change out of them and I'd want to see the items before she left so I knew she wasn't stealing them.

This response sums it up.

LittleBrownJug · 18/09/2023 03:38

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:31

Okay. I can see I'm in a hiding to nowhere here. I'll make sure the kids never go near an establishment like Wetherspoons again. I'll tell this kid to go home and not come back. I'll prepare myself for a lifetime of drug addiction and alcohol abuse with my own DD. Thanks all.

To be fair OP you’ve come on here asking for advice, & while some posters are unnecessarily harsh and not understanding, you’re not addressing at all some valid & helpful things PP have said.

  1. continue to care for this child but set FIRM BOUNDARIES as that’s what she needs.
  2. Put your own DD’s needs first.
  3. Tell the school about the neglect and the mother’s behaviour so they are aware. It’s a safeguarding issue and social services need to be (re) informed.

I really don’t understand posters who come on here with an AIBU & then get angry & flounce off because they don’t like what is offered. I understand where you’re coming from but I also agree with the repeated points above.

Good luck OP.

LittleBrownJug · 18/09/2023 03:49

momtoboys · 17/09/2023 19:58

I just want to post to follow this thread!

Use the ‘watch this thread’ button.

heartbroken22 · 18/09/2023 03:57

What @swimminglessonadvice said.

AliciaLime · 18/09/2023 04:45

ambitchious · 17/09/2023 17:34

I’m wondering too. I’m not in the UK, is this really normal? It sounds worrying.

It isn’t, at least for my kids and their friends and can’t say I’ve noticed other 12 year olds alone in this type of scenario.

OP - I know it’s not what you’ve asked, but this is quite unusual. And even if for you, it’s not, because you think the risk is low, or your child is sensible, I wouldn’t trust the other girl, based on what you’ve said, to be sensible too. I think your daughter could be exposed to some difficult situations.

Lastchancechica · 18/09/2023 05:23

AliciaLime · 18/09/2023 04:45

It isn’t, at least for my kids and their friends and can’t say I’ve noticed other 12 year olds alone in this type of scenario.

OP - I know it’s not what you’ve asked, but this is quite unusual. And even if for you, it’s not, because you think the risk is low, or your child is sensible, I wouldn’t trust the other girl, based on what you’ve said, to be sensible too. I think your daughter could be exposed to some difficult situations.

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It’s not remotely normal. In the U.K. or elsewhere. Most teens enjoy sushi, pizza restaurants or juice bars.

AliciaLime · 18/09/2023 05:26

Lastchancechica · 18/09/2023 05:23

It’s not remotely normal. In the U.K. or elsewhere. Most teens enjoy sushi, pizza restaurants or juice bars.

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My kids aren’t doing much of that on their own in the evening either. Maybe a juice bar in the afternoon. Dropped off and picked up at the cinema in the evening. A pizza at a push.

Sazza26xx · 18/09/2023 05:36

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Lastchancechica · 18/09/2023 05:48

AliciaLime · 18/09/2023 05:26

My kids aren’t doing much of that on their own in the evening either. Maybe a juice bar in the afternoon. Dropped off and picked up at the cinema in the evening. A pizza at a push.

Mine are older. 15 and 17. At 12 they were usually having play dates, doing sports and clubs snd at a push a Saturday visit to the cinema with me at the back.

CarbsAreNotMyFriend · 18/09/2023 06:07

Ignore these other posts OP, usual Mumsnet pile on. You sound lovely and kind, and yes the mum is a CF. I think you'll be doing more for that girl than you realise. I had a similar situation as a child and loved the sanctuary of this other home (it was as much about the mum as it was spending time with her kids).

Definitely continue to set boundaries but if your daughter is happy and you don't mind this girl being around, then don't punish her for her selfish, rude & feckless mother.

TerfTalking · 18/09/2023 06:21

In the nicest possible way OP, I would be careful that you aren’t being played. I have been in similar positions, having a now grown up daughter who has brought a succession of friends through the door over the years. On more than one occasion that vulnerable, neglected (streetwise and using) child turned out to be flaky and fucked off and found a new friend when the gravy train dried up, leaving me with a confused and distraught DD.

If she turns out to be a true friend of your daughters then she will thrive from boundaries. Bullshit that a neglected and unclean child can only use expensive shampoo and has to walk out of the house in your DDs sliders. Where are her shoes? I bet she took them home with her.

nip this in the bud now, by all means be kind but stop being walked over.

Hotsaucegal · 18/09/2023 08:44

To everyone being so very judgmental about the ‘pub’ pizza , you have no idea where OP lives. In my village the only establishment for food within walking distance is the Pub, it has a large garden, everyone knows everyone- we are friends a with the owners. It would be completely appropriate to let you daughter sit in the garden with a friend. Just because you live in london and “sushi and juice bars “ might be plentiful doesn’t mean that’s everyone’s lived experience. I also suspect that a village pub garden is far safer than letting them loose in Westfield.

heartsinvisiblefury · 18/09/2023 10:23

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What is it that makes you laugh? You find it funny that when a woman complains about an issue she is called a Karen? It's as if you think a woman should just sit down and shut up. Hilarious.

Lastchancechica · 18/09/2023 12:08

Hotsaucegal · 18/09/2023 08:44

To everyone being so very judgmental about the ‘pub’ pizza , you have no idea where OP lives. In my village the only establishment for food within walking distance is the Pub, it has a large garden, everyone knows everyone- we are friends a with the owners. It would be completely appropriate to let you daughter sit in the garden with a friend. Just because you live in london and “sushi and juice bars “ might be plentiful doesn’t mean that’s everyone’s lived experience. I also suspect that a village pub garden is far safer than letting them loose in Westfield.

I live rurally! Our nearest town does in fact have sushi and juice bars.

jessnoah · 18/09/2023 12:56

Ok so I could be completely wrong about this situation but this was me as a teenager. I lived at my best friend's house and they fed me and everything. My home life was simply horrible for me, I didn't want to be at home. My mum would be labelled the CF, she was off dating men and wanted them back at the house and me out of it. She was abusing me a lot of the time, physically and emotionally. You obviously should speak to the girl (my friend's mum did actually learn about the situation, hence why she was so kind). But I think you should chat to your daughter first, then her friend, and try to establish what's what. Yes, you're looking after her child, but I assure you that child will remember what you've done for her forever at what sounds like isn't a great time in her life. I'm forever grateful to my best friend's parents, and visit often and bring them gifts, and don't really have a relationship with my mum.

jessnoah · 18/09/2023 12:57

Also I would put down the shampoo issue as her just being a bit young and silly. She's probably just let herself get to comfortable, something which she doesn't have at home. Might be worth talking to your daughter about it then she can politely say you prefer to keep your shampoo and conditioner for you.

BrokenButNotFinished · 18/09/2023 13:52

This sounds like a challenging situation on many levels @nopainnogain1 and I do admire you for sticking with this child.

However, I do echo what others have said about raising it as a safeguarding issue with the school. If she's 12 and in the UK, she will presumably have moved to secondary quite recently. While they will presumably be aware of background, they may not be aware of what's going on currently. One of my daughters has a friend classed as vulnerable and as well as social services involvement and CAMHS, she has a supportive team in school as well. In your situation, this could well get worse as the child gets older.

Gillbil · 18/09/2023 13:55

I think you're doing the right thing. Only thing is, maybe talk to the dd friend before the mum so she understands she's still welcome and not being rejected.
Good luck

horseyhorsey17 · 18/09/2023 14:02

I think I'd be inclined to help this girl out a bit. It isn't her fault that her mum is, well, a shit mum.

AmIAutumnalNow · 18/09/2023 14:02

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Actually laughing?

Awww bless

JudgeJ · 18/09/2023 14:06

Lulu1919 · 17/09/2023 17:33

Sorry I'm still wondering how many 12 year olds go to the pub for dinner alone !!

I only learned recently that a 12 year old can go to the bar and order a Coke. At one time children were not allowed into the bar area, I would add that she was with our group and had declined another Coke then changed her mind!

PorridgeOnToast · 18/09/2023 14:10

@Sazza26xx I feel fairly confident to promise you that absolutely NO-ONE is crying over the term Karen.

That would be as sad, ridiculous and immature as some "laughing" over the crying...

momtoboys · 18/09/2023 14:15

Please update when/if you talk to the mother. I’m invested now!

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