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To not know how to drag myself into this century?

83 replies

duringthewarrodney · 15/09/2023 11:31

I’m a long-time poster on MN but have never posted in this category. I partake and post about my GC quite a lot (I care for them often), so I’ve NC’d for this post. And I’m sorry, now I’ve finished bashing the keyboard, I’m aware this is tediously long....

I’m in my early 60’s and recently, although physically I still feel much younger, mentally is a whole different matter. Reading a lot of posts in AIBU is making me realise that I’m turning into an old-fashioned, intolerant hag who is stuck a few decades behind.

I read posts where, to me, someone has been unreasonable and/or just a spoiled brat or downright rude. Yet (and here is my problem), so many responses are defending the ‘unreasonable’ behaviour, by pointing out that the offender may have a ND disorder, suffer from insecurity or may have had a difficult upbringing, other hidden issues etc. In some cases yes, but for the vast majority of content, I find myself reading it and thinking “FFS, accept you were just plain wrong and get on with it”.

And I’m having a battle with myself over my perspective of this. I’m ashamed that I’m turning into the type of person who I have always been so derisive of – and afraid that I’m becoming ‘that’ person who is stuck in a generation time warp of “It wasn’t like this in my day” and “It’s nothing that a bit of discipline won’t sort out”. My 6-year-old GS said to me the other day (after he refused to get out of the bath when I said it was time to get dry and into PJs for bed) “Nanny, you do know I have choices, don’t you?”. I swallowed a smile and agreed that yes he does have choices in many things, but explained that sometimes we all need help to make the correct choice. He said “Getting out of the bath is not the right choice for me right now, Miss XYZ at school said we must always remember that we can challenge a choice if it’s not right”. He’s 6 years old ffs! Worth mentioning that he’s usually a jolly, well-grounded little chap and doesn’t give anyone too much trouble and hearing him speak like this is so out of character. Of course now I think he’s going to end up on AIBU at some point for being “entitled” (which seems to be a contender for word of the year at the moment….see, dinosaur mode has kicked in again!)

I mentioned this to his Mum (my DD) and she rolled her eyes and said that I have to get with the times and things are very different for children than they were ‘back in my day’. She said that no child should ever be told what to do without a full explanation of why they are being asked to do it. I told her that I HAD explained to the GS why he needed to get out of the bath (that it’s bedtime, school the next day and how hard it is at school if you’re already tired when you get there etc.), but GS response to this was that I was not being kind, and it’s very important to be kind. I was very kind about it!

This morning I read a post about someone having problems with a new employee (young graduate) who had got something a little wrong at work. When picked up on it, the employee obviously felt she was being victimised and wanted an apology from the manager who had raised the issue. Whilst the majority of replies were along the lines of “she’s trouble/get rid”, many more answers suggested that fresh eyes in the workplace might not be a bad thing and that the new employee shouldn’t just accept the way things work there currently, just because it’s always been done a certain way. I genuinely felt a flash of anger at these responses. In this case, the OP said the workplace is a good place to be, the existing team is a happy one, there’s a good working vibe etc. and productivity is good. Why the heck would anyone believe that the work culture there needs changing just because someone didn’t like being told they had messed up?

There are many more examples I could list where I’ve found myself in the minority camp of ‘just suck it up’ and I’m starting to at best doubt myself and at worst, not liking the narrow-minded person that I’m worried I’m becoming. This is manifesting in RL too – struggling to think of an actual scenario now, but let’s use driving as one. I have driven almost daily for well over 40 years (and proud to say I’ve never had so much as a bump in all that time, likely an element of luck here, but still proud of it all the same). Lately, I’m finding the intolerance of other road users is at a whole new level. The slightest ‘wrong’ move (for eg. not driving fast enough for the driver of a car behind me, or auto headlights on occasion having not dipped soon enough for an oncoming vehicle at night), results in a barrage of horn-blowing, fist-waving and other gesticulations. I’m pretty sure that this aggression was much less prolific years ago, when an apologetic hand raised was acknowledged with a nod. So, is this another example of times changing and me not keeping up? It seems a constant struggle between ‘we must be kind’ and ‘we must also not be afraid to scream and shout if we feel we are being wronged’!

I am deeply ashamed that I am going to be ‘that’ 80-year-old who sits in a wing-backed chair bemoaning ‘the youth of today’ and ‘what has the world come to’. I don’t want to be, but equally, I honestly don’t know how to go about being more tolerant of changing times and accepting that things can’t stay the same. I know I need to understand that just because something was considered ‘right’ years ago, may not necessarily be appropriate or relevant now. I struggle with this more than I care to admit.

How do I drag myself into the 2000s and stop myself from ending up a miserable, wizened old bat? I should mention that when reading AIBU threads, I do sometimes realise I’ve read some opposing opinions to mine that I’d not thought of before, and when that happens I’m pleased that I’ve been able to recognise differing viewpoints, but it doesn’t happen as often as I’d like.

Please be kind – I don’t want to get bashed for being like this (I can do that just fine on my own!), but I'd really welcome any advice on how to be a bit more open-minded, and yes, tolerant of other peoples’ opinions. It’s likely irrelevant, but I’d also like to mention that this became more noticeable during/after a very late menopause. I’ve also struggled with ongoing anxiousness, memory problems and horrible brain fog since this time, which HRT hasn’t really improved (that said, I’m more convinced these problems are more attributable to having had a difficult few years with the loss of loved ones from Covid at the beginning, business struggles at the same time and having sole care of elderly and ailing parents), so I’m still hoping these issues are transient and will resolve when my situation changes). But can the menopause change your personality or am I just looking for excuses?

Thank you if you made it to the end and haven't nodded off by now!

OP posts:
deeplybaffled · 15/09/2023 11:39

If it helps, I am around 20 years younger than you and have a 5 year old. I am happy that he has choices, but he doesn’t have the understanding of longer term consequences of his choices, so I reserve the right to over rule his decision.
Also, when I read the work post that you referenced, I was in danger of being awarded an Olympic medal in eyerolling over the probationer’s behaviour.

so… not sure that is really answering your question as to how to change, except to say that in those two examples, I don’t think you need to!

personally, I’m planning to meet every cliche I fancy when I’m 80, be it complaining about the youth of the day, pretending to be deaf, or donning my purple hat and dancing in the rain😂

aSofaNearYou · 15/09/2023 11:39

I mean, I'm 30 and I think the same as you about the parenting issues. I'd just comfort yourself that that is one school of thought, lots of people don't subscribe to it. You can just quietly disagree with it.

But your DD has a lot of cheek if she expects you to care for her child but doesn't put any effort in to stop him from having a bad attitude at yours. I would never do that.

Scrumptiousspongecake · 15/09/2023 11:40

I am only in my 40s and I feel very similar to you. Can’t work out if it’s me being intolerant or not. No answers really but just wanted to show solidarity 😂

FanFckingTastic · 15/09/2023 11:48

It doesn't sound like you are intolerant OP - the fact that you are thinking about this, and asking for advice on being more open-minded, would suggest that you are probably more reasonable than you realise.

For what it's worth, I think that there has been a definite shift in the last decade between rights and responsibilities. It's absolutely correct that we have rights and choice but this also has to be balanced with responsibility and consequence and in my view this is sometimes lacking - people want one without the other.

Justlovedogs · 15/09/2023 11:49

I'm in my 50s, OP, and have similar thoughts, I think. No real answers or solutions, I'm afraid, but solidarity indeed.

QuaterMiss · 15/09/2023 11:51

I don’t think we’re obliged to imbibe everything the 21st c throws at us … I do think we’re each entitled to view evolving societal ideas through the prism of our own experience.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 15/09/2023 11:53

I think your GS was being quite innovative in applying his choices options. I suspect the teacher was focusing more on choosing how you behave (ie moving away from labelling a child as naughty to labelling particular behaviour as a poor choice - which is something I agree with).

I have picked up on the concept of natural consequences for children which wasn’t really a thing when I was young (I’m mid 50’s). So you can give your GS a natural consequence like if you chose to stay in the bath there won’t be time for a story.

My DC as late teens / early 20s and they aren’t too impressed with some of the more precious behaviour that a limited number of their peers come out with. The thing is that it is only the ones that make you roll your eyes that get talked about.

I think the better understanding of diversity is a positive compared to when I started work (in the last millennium 😱).

Lemonyfuckit · 15/09/2023 11:55

Early 40s OP and similar thoughts too, and certainly don't disagree with your stance on the examples mentioned. I also feel there's been a shift towards more (sorry to use that word) entitled and selfish behaviour, possibly since Covid. My mum (70s), husband (same age as me) and brother (early 30s) think the same so some slightly differing generations there. And that when you (politely or otherwise) call someone out on bad behaviour they go on the offensive. The most recent example that springs to mind when I stopped a lady pushing in a queue, she had a go at me for being rude! (I got the whole 'we've come down to London for the day and no one has been rude apart from you!' spiel) or when my mum asks people not to park across her drive they just start arguing with her, trying to argue it's not a driveway.

Fimofriend · 15/09/2023 11:56

Dear OP.
I am not impressed by your DDs parenting skills nor with her intelligence.
Of course children need to learn to do what they are told. She is not doing anyone any favours.

But hey maybe she wants her kids to be without
-friends,
-an education,

  • jobs

and to remain single forever

bananaboats · 15/09/2023 11:56

I'm in my 30s and agree with you too but a lot of what I see on MN I don't recognise from real life at all so I do take things with a punch of salt on here, especially AIBU!

Wanderingllama · 15/09/2023 11:57

There are many of us mid 30s who fit what you are describing about yourself... I wondered whether it's because I am secretly 95 or from different background (not uk born). Then I tutted at loud scramble bike going past my house at 8:30PM and dH pinted out it might be the 95 presumed age🙈

BallaiLuimni · 15/09/2023 11:59

I think it's pretty normal to have feelings like this - you get older and you get a different perspective on life which makes you focus more on things that actually matter but can make you very impatient with people who have other priorities and seem to get wrapped up in meaningless nonsense.

Maybe it's a matter of acknowledging that you have a bit more knowledge/experience but that you can choose be tolerant and let it go? It gets wearing always getting wound up by other people - sometimes you have to accept they're shitheads and resolve to focus on the people who aren't.

As for the choice and be kind stuff - every generation fucks things up in some way. In the past people smacked children around, now they're not giving them enough boundaries, it's not great but it's something of an improvement. You don't need to parent your GC, just humour him and try to manage the situation as best you can. The parenting is up to his own mother.

Essentially, as Elsa would say, let it go. Deal with the things that you can deal with it and let everyone else get on with their own rubbish.

Ginmonkeyagain · 15/09/2023 12:08

@Lemonyfuckit Ha Ha she should try barging people in the tube or standing on the wrong side of the escalator and then she would see just how many of us Londoners can be rude.

Zanina · 15/09/2023 12:09

I'm in my 30s and I can't stand all this entitled behaviour. Anyone who pushes it too much with me gets a bollocking or I distance myself from them. I'm not taking shit from my kids or anyone who thinks their "choices" are allowed to impact me and allow them them to rule me as they wish. There's right and wrong, principles and morals for a reason. We are supposed to take lead from our elders, we can question and try to improve things of course, but that doesn't mean taking the piss. Society is breaking down rapidly imo and its showing up in these disrespectful ways. I am that grumpy old fashioned person, and I know that that in itself will be a deterrent to anyone who tries to push their luck with me. Stick to your guns op, you deserve respect from your offspring. I don't think it's right that your daughter responded to you like that, you're her mother not the other way round.

dimsumfatsum · 15/09/2023 12:10

I'm half your age and couldn't agree more re: your GCs example and the work thread you've referenced. I'm a professional working with children and a parent myself and I'm firm but fair in my dealings with little people. As an adult, I will listen to all but do what's in the best interests of everyone, not just that one child/person. I think political correctness has taken drugs and lost touch with all reality. Please don't change- the world needs more people like you.

MammaTo · 15/09/2023 12:14

I’m 32 and agree with most things you have said.

Mumsnet (thankfully) doesn’t reflect my life or friendship group so I just read and don’t pass comment. If things come up in real life I keep my opinions to myself.

I’ve found it’s all turned into a little bit of a corporate game that we have to pander to certain people who maybe aren’t as resilient as others. I hate all this “therapy lingo” too, it drives me insane 😂.

NotAMug · 15/09/2023 12:17

I'm early 40s and agree with lots of what you said.

Your DD sounds like she could end up allowing GS to end up extremely entitled. A short explanation is sufficient, or a suitable choice which is stay in bath 10 more mins and only have 1 story rather than 2 for example, but nothing more than that.

Jellycatspyjamas · 15/09/2023 12:19

She said that no child should ever be told what to do without a full explanation of why they are being asked to do it.

Well there has to be balance, I’m all for explaining why but sometimes we all need to do things we’d rather not do. I don’t need my kids to agree with me, but they do need to do what they’re told and sometimes that might mean doing it without explanation. I think we’re in danger of giving children too much choice and control that they aren’t developmentally ready for, which isn’t good for them. I’m afraid for me it would be a case of you need to be out of the bath by the time I count to three or there will be no time for stories, kids need clear boundaries, as well as choice and explanation where possible. If that makes me a grumpy, behind the times old mare I can live with that.

OwlHouse6 · 15/09/2023 12:20

I don’t think you need to change anything! The silent majority agree with you on all examples.

MNetcurtains · 15/09/2023 12:27

You sound pretty well balanced to me OP. I'm of a similar age and sometimes I feel like a vat full of boiling water in a land full of snowflakes!😬

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 15/09/2023 12:32

The world changes, it is the one immutable fact of life. People change, society changes, expectations and behaviours change. It’s ok to be scared by that, it’s ok to dislike it, it’s even ok to moan about it. But don’t be heartbroken that your 6 year old grandchild attempted to get away with something - that’s been every 6 year old for hundreds of years. It’s on you to teach him he’s wrong (if he’s in your care at the time) and to lay firm boundaries and rules for your home.

Mischance · 15/09/2023 12:34

Putting your foot down is fine - you are older and wiser. "But Mummy that's not fair" my children used to cry and I used to say: "Life isn't fair and sometimes you have to do things you do not want to."

They have grown into considerate young adults and wonderful parents.

By all means explain why they should do something, but they also need to be clear that not doing it is not an option.

They have the choice to do as they are asked!

110APiccadilly · 15/09/2023 12:37

She said that no child should ever be told what to do without a full explanation of why they are being asked to do it.

"Darling, would you be able to make a good choice and come back here please. I know you wanted to go and play on that nice dashed line, but unfortunately the driver of that enormous truck doesn't seem to have noticed you."

I'm not against giving explanations where you can (e.g., I'll say to my 2 year old that she needs to clean her teeth or they could start to hurt.) But it's not a practical position to take at all times.

P.S. I'm in my mid thirties.

Mumski45 · 15/09/2023 12:38

I'm in my mid 50's and I'm with you OP. I think some things have changed for the better and we should be able to make choices for ourselves and stand up for our rights. However it is important to understand that rights come with responsibilities and choices have consequences.

I recently came across a situation where a young person was participating in indoor climbing in way which put her partner at the time at risk. I tried to help her by getting an item of safety equipment for her. I was then accused of not thinking about her feelings at the time. When I tried to explain that another persons safety was more important than her feelings she then swore at me and flounced off.

Seymour5 · 15/09/2023 12:40

FanFckingTastic · 15/09/2023 11:48

It doesn't sound like you are intolerant OP - the fact that you are thinking about this, and asking for advice on being more open-minded, would suggest that you are probably more reasonable than you realise.

For what it's worth, I think that there has been a definite shift in the last decade between rights and responsibilities. It's absolutely correct that we have rights and choice but this also has to be balanced with responsibility and consequence and in my view this is sometimes lacking - people want one without the other.

Edited

I noticed over 20 years ago in a public sector customer facing job just how much the balance was shifting from responsibilities to rights. I'm in my 70s, and happy that equalities have taken great strides in my lifetime. So much has improved in my lifetime. But what has happened to resilience?