Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

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Just on the news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

What European countries require muzzles in public areas? I know lots do for public transport, but not out and about. I think most dog owners will baulk at the idea of muzzles for all dogs in all public areas. Breed specific, I can get behind but I think mandatory muzzles on all dogs will result in a lot of people then avoiding taking their dogs out to avoid muzzling, resulting in unsocialised dogs who are then more likely to react.

Completely agree with the rest of what you say, dog training, licensing, mandatory short leads on pavements etc. And cafes and restaurants need to stop letting dogs inside. I love my dogs but they belong outdoors and if that means sitting at an outdoor table instead of inside, or getting a takeaway coffee and walking with my dog in the rain, then so be it.

What?

Can we also then start shooting and stabbing men?
Considering how dangerous they are and cause so much damage/rape/death/violence.

Of course not. Though I can see mn frothing already.

This will be a nightmare to implement. It’ll be like the Staffies who get seized, shoved in police kennels, starved, measured then released (euthanised) if they fit the measurements or what have you.

I think this is a good idea, and it will make everyone safer.

@Dotjones barmy! 🤣🤣🤣

Hang on, it’s not a case of just ‘irresponsible’ owners. There are many accounts of these dogs, raised with children, by decent people, who have turned and hurt people in their own homes. Dogs have instincts. Unfortunately when a huge animal like this acts on instinct, the results are horrific.

That way, you know members of the public will film and take photos of owners who don’t muzzle their dogs and report them without being identified themselves.

There is no way on earth I am going to film the brainless, meathead, morons who own these dogs. No way would I risk them seeing me do that!

I think all dogs should be muzzled in public.

These threads always seem to bring out those who get off on the idea of putting down dogs. These people have no concept of the important role dogs play for many, especially mental health wise. dogs have been an important companion of humans for thousands of years.

I mean what the hell is someone doing saying people should carry guns and knives as at the moment only farmers can realistically shoot dogs!!!! I hope to god no one like this is ever allowed to own a gun.

I don’t agree to muzzling all dogs. Well trained dogs are fine off lead.

what we need it better control of dog ownership.

Anyone who wants to own a dog to go on a short course and pass a test then given a license to buy specific breeds of dog. The license needs to be provided to acquire the dog from licensed breeders. Would be a start.

I think there should be mandatory 3rd party insurance for dogs, cats and horses.

These huge powerful dogs are a menace, and there’s no need to have them, when other breeds are far more suitable. People need to be looking into the power and size of the breeds bite.

I think it should be much easier for police to remove dogs. The bbc is reporting a witness saying that the two dogs yesterday had been aggressive towards people before, and the police had cautioned the owner. I think aggressive dogs should be removed (and pts), regardless of breed.

Your whole it isn't the dog it's the owner really doesn't hold much weight. These dogs are bred to be killers. That's the whole point if them.
To be honest I would happily put down the owners of these killer dogs.

On the whole I like dogs, have lots of family with them and they're all lovely, loyal and friendly animals who do nothing but add to the family.

BUT my biggest fear when out walking with my children is no longer 'stranger danger' but fear of them going out of my sight in case a dangerous dog is around the corner. Countless times I've had to stop them playing with balls, scooters and bikes on the playing fields as its attracting dogs who are off their lead.

My oldest one wants to start walking to the shop round the corner next year, and to primary school. She is aware of road safety and never to go off with people she doesn't know. Dogs are another story and i should not have to teach her how to protect herself from a dangerous dog and to be honest there is only so much she can do in those circumstances.

I'm fed up of dogs taking priority over children and their ability to gain some independence (and adults) in public spaces. Even just running ahead in the park is risky in my area now.

It's not down to the dogs but the owners (not all I know) who fail to control their pets. Although why anyone would want a dog whose sole purpose is to kill / look like a killing machine is beyond me.

I’m with you on that. I was in a department store yesterday and suddenly a dog was sniffing around my ankles. Hate them in cafes and shops too, very unhygienic.

Banning breeds does nothing. It's only makes them more alluring for the people who are looking for a status symbol.

We need to start muzzling dogs with a powerful bite force. It's the only way to make a start.
As a society we cannot accept anymore people dying due to massive dogs

@Dotjones your unhinged rantings would ensure that if such a bonkers law came into effect, you’d be immediately disqualified from it.

I know you are trolling for attention as always but this is a terrifying insight to the workings of your head and you really should get help because no normal, well adjusted person would even go there in their wildest imaginings.

I agree with the posters who say we need better regulation around dog ownership, training and breeding. We seriously need to tackle the breeding issue. The problem we have now is that people think they have a right to own a dog, just because they want one, regardless of whether they are capable of looking after it properly.

Absolutely this!

We need to make getting a dog more difficult.

I can guarantee if you had to fill in your details, have a license, have it neutered etc the majority of the people who get dogs wouldn’t bother.

I can go on gumtree right now and pick up a dog for free or cheap and breed it straight away.
I can make some money and then I’ll just stick her back on gumtree or keep her and use her for a few more litters of puppies.

Owning a dog (or any pet) should be a privilege and not a right.

I'm familiar with the law.

The blade I use is perfectly legal to carry without any 'good reason'.

It would certainly be a lot more use in the event of a dog attack than using my bare hands.

It is simple, by 31 December you must have registered your dog with the council, you will be handed a tag with the council crest on it (that your dog has to wear 24/7) and your dogs registration number, photo of mutt is kept on file and on the licence given to you, cost to you the owner is £500 per dog and each household can only have 2 licences. Also by then your dog must be chipped and walked on a short lead and muzzled. If you can't comply, hand your dog in. Failure to comply results in a 5K fine the first time and dogs removed the second time and a lifetime ban of keeping and or walking dogs. It really is that simple

It will be ignored by the dregs of our communities and we do not have the resources to monitor and enforce it.

Only a simple mind thinks it is that simple.

I'm a dog lover and would not support muzzling all dogs in public. That is overkill. However I would support ALL dogs on a lead unless in a secure, fenced dog specific area. I have a lovely park near me which has been absolutely ruined by off-lead dogs. I used to go running in it but really don't like to now as dogs run across your path, try to jump on you or even chase you. I'm not scared of dogs at all, but it's really annoying!

I also used to walk there with a friend and her dog. She always keeps it on a lead, even though she is well trained, friendly and has excellent recall because she is a staffie cross and people are wary of her. But the amount of loose dogs that came over to her and either tried to play or even fight has made her really quite nervous as she can't get away from them because she's on a lead. Owners just laugh and dismiss my friend's requests to control their dog. It's infuriating! So we find other places to go now where there are less likely to be numpty, self-entitled owners. It's a shame, because it's a lovely park with lots of things to sniff for a well behaved dog!

Yes they are finally banning them. Thank goodness!

As I've said before, people that own this type of dog are really stupid. Nothing going on in their little heads. Nothing makes me cringe more than hearing "aw ees a little softie my doggy" blugh makes me sick hearing that. Yeah they might be soft, until they decide to bite your face and neck one day because they just felt like it.

Let's hope the law changes so we can ban more dangerous breeds and also stop them crapping all over the place. I'd like to see very large fines for that.

I'd like to also see stricter rules for even owning a dog.

Do other countries have these sorts of issues?

I know lots of countries who have stray, feral dogs but I don’t hear of them killing people.

Far more breeds need to be banned, why do people need big aggressive dogs? I can bet it's to use as a form of protection/a weapon. If only small tame breeds were allowed and every owner required a licence which is ££ plus no dogs were allowed in social housing we can bet this daily reporting of deaths would reduce dramatically.

I live right by a lovely country park, it's great for walks only we can't actually walk there with our young children because of dogs, dogs off lead everywhere bounding up. Our youngest is 2, I have no idea if the dog running in our direction is going to bite his face off? There are dog walking fields they can pay to use locally where they could exercise their dogs off lead in a safe fenced off area, they are huge, instead they use the country park where people with children are walking around. I'd like to see tougher laws around dogs, I'm sick of being on edge when I'm out with my young children.

The ranting and drivel of an unhinged pillock!

What could possibly go wrong if that were to be allowed? I don't think even our ridiculous Tory government are quite that stupid.

Yes, it does rather beg the question of who it is that wants a dog like that.

And what does society do about that?

Banning the current breed means they'll just move on to another one.

Are pocket bullies going to be included? What about other mastiff crosses? The list would go on and on

The issue is with they type of person who owns poorly trained, large, heavy, powerful dogs, especially if they want it to "hard". Banning by breed hasn't really worked - as the next "hard" breed comes trotting along

Well it has worked. How many deaths by Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino or Fila Brasileiro have there been recently?

As long as new breeds are monitored and banned promptly it will continue to work. The government has dragged it's heels which is why we are now here.

It's so uneccessary and so easy for the government to do something about it.

Any dog over a certain weight gets muzzled in public. There can be exceptions for working dogs.