Page 8 | Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

IthinkIamAnAlien · 2023-09-15T10:09:08+00:00

Just on the news - [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795]] Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

SirenSays · 15/09/2023 12:29

I have had many foster dogs who can not be walked in a muzzle because they were either attacked or abused in one or were left in a muzzle for disgustingly long periods of time. A walk is supposed to be a healthy positive thing for a dog, if I had to traumatise them to even leave the house I don't know what I'd do.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/09/2023 12:29

Scotsgirl001 · 15/09/2023 11:29

Ive started to develop a bit of anxiety when I'm out walking my wee spaniel, especially in wooded areas etc where lots of people have their dogs off leads. He's very timid, and I'm always on edge that we will come across an XL bully or similar not on a lead and the owner has no control. In fact its not just that breed, its any breed of dog, owners always say ' dont worry he/she is friendly' as it/they come towards us but sadly from experience thats not always the case. Ive been thinking about getting some kind of pepper spray type thing to carry with me. Its annoying that I should feel vulnerable doing something as pleasurable as walking my dog.

It isn’t really “any breed of dog” though, as small/toy dog breeds may be snappy but are not going to take down and kill an adult man.
I have a medium sized dog, but she is a light breed (11kg) and could be fought off easily by an adult. Obviously any dog can cause damage to a small child if they bite the face, but the smallest breeds are very unlikely to kill a child.
Weighty, strong dogs with high reactivity are the most dangerous, both to people and other dogs.
I have noticed an increase in large pit bull type breeds locally, it does make me edgy walking my dog, and there are a few dogs locally who I feel are a danger to people.

SeenYourArse · 15/09/2023 12:29

PaulaZackMayo · 15/09/2023 12:21

I was just thinking this. Ridiculous.

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Yes to the men absolutely and also yes to those children who savagely bite other people! Also we aren’t talking about dogs bullying are we?! So you are talking absolute bollocks purposely being obtuse, if a dog was just following and barking at someone then that’s the equivalent of bullying but we’re talking about physically attacking to the point of DEATH here so if a child were to do that to another human particularly with their teeth then yes muzzling should be the minimum recourse! HTH 🙄

PaulaZackMayo · 15/09/2023 12:30

spitefulandbadgrammar · 15/09/2023 12:28

Instead of the faffing with dog knives and bum probes and anal fingering and muzzles and lead laws and wardens and muzzles on certain breeds or bans on certain breeds, just ban dogs. V simple, solves the poo issue too, easy to spot if someone’s breaking the law.

That's not going to happen either.

PaulaZackMayo · 15/09/2023 12:32

SeenYourArse · 15/09/2023 12:29

Yes to the men absolutely and also yes to those children who savagely bite other people! Also we aren’t talking about dogs bullying are we?! So you are talking absolute bollocks purposely being obtuse, if a dog was just following and barking at someone then that’s the equivalent of bullying but we’re talking about physically attacking to the point of DEATH here so if a child were to do that to another human particularly with their teeth then yes muzzling should be the minimum recourse! HTH 🙄

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You've obviously seeing your arse today.

All dogs shouldn't be muzzled.

Oliotya · 15/09/2023 12:32

PaulaZackMayo · 15/09/2023 12:12

I'm a very responsible dog owner. I never let them off the lead. The only time I've heard of the breed of one of mine being involved in an attack is when one of them was on a lead and two dangerous dogs who were off their lead attacked and killed it whilst their owners were walking it.

I still think about that poor animal so I'm very much against these dangerous dogs.

There was one chained up in a camping field last week but could still get to people walking by and I made a point of not going anywhere near it.

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You may be a responsible owner, but it shouldn't be up to you to decide. Just like we don't say "I'm a careful driver, I always look where I'm going. I would never hit a pedestrian" - instead we all have to stop at traffic lights.

GoryBory · 15/09/2023 12:33

Oysterbabe · 15/09/2023 12:20

Hopefully the threat of an imminent ban will make spending ££££ on one unattractive and the breeders will stop.

No it makes them more attractive, this is why I’m against banning certain breeds.

The XL bullies are crossbreeds and there are dogs who look similar to them but there’s no proof so I assume they don’t be destroyed.

All these people have to do is make some fake papers to go along with them and say they’re staffy x Labrador or something and charge way more money for them.

I think this will make them more ‘cool’.

I think having stricter rules on owning dogs and having it the law to get them neutered and it be against the law to breed (unless with a special license) will be much easier to police.

Nearly all of the dog attacks I’ve read about aren’t of some loving family dog, they’re dogs that have had multiple owners and passed around and mistreated.

Why are we more focused on banning breeds and not banning owners.

No one should be able to get a dog for free or cheap and then abuse and neglect it.

RedDoughnut · 15/09/2023 12:33

Do other countries have the same problem with dog attacks?
I can't remember reading anything

SeenYourArse · 15/09/2023 12:34

Nw22 · 15/09/2023 12:17

These threads are full of lunatics. Should we castrate men as so many are rapists? Or muzzle children who bully others?

Sorry THIS lunatic was the one I meant to reply to 👌🏼

Dentistlakes · 15/09/2023 12:36

It seems to me the simplest solution would be a blanket rule for all dogs to be muzzled and kept on leads in public spaces. I agree it not necessary for all dogs, but it would be easier to police if it’s done that way.

It’s such a shame it’s come to this; a small number of bad owners and irresponsible breeding. It’s made life very difficult for the majority who just want to enjoy time walking their family pet. I don’t have a dog, but I do like to see them out and about.

Dullardmullard · 15/09/2023 12:36

Needanewnamebeingwatched · 15/09/2023 11:22

I think it's time all dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

And i say that as a dog owner/lover of many years

It still won’t stop then mauling you even with a muzzle on just so you know if they want to that is.

also how will you fit a flat nose breed for a muzzle just asking

PaulaZackMayo · 15/09/2023 12:36

Oliotya · 15/09/2023 12:32

You may be a responsible owner, but it shouldn't be up to you to decide. Just like we don't say "I'm a careful driver, I always look where I'm going. I would never hit a pedestrian" - instead we all have to stop at traffic lights.

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I never said it was up to me but it won't happen. Their will be too many people against all dogs being muzzled. The people who can make the laws will probably have dogs.

MrsMarzetti · 15/09/2023 12:37

It is simple, by 31 December you must have registered your dog with the council, you will be handed a tag with the council crest on it (that your dog has to wear 24/7) and your dogs registration number, photo of mutt is kept on file and on the licence given to you, cost to you the owner is £500 per dog and each household can only have 2 licences. Also by then your dog must be chipped and walked on a short lead and muzzled. If you can't comply, hand your dog in. Failure to comply results in a 5K fine the first time and dogs removed the second time and a lifetime ban of keeping and or walking dogs. It really is that simple.

Crumpleton · 15/09/2023 12:37

Whilst these attacks are horrific and becoming more spoken about it really doesn't matter what laws are bought into place it's implementing those very laws that will count and make a difference.

Far to many laws already in place regarding many subjects are totally ignored and a blind eye turned by authorities across the board which leads to an attitude of SOME people doing as they can.

Rules and regulations are no good unless the people that break them are going to be pulled up and be seen to be punished for it.

rainbowunicorn · 15/09/2023 12:37

PaulaZackMayo · 15/09/2023 12:15

Will they put all the XL Bully dogs down?

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Let's hope so

Lulucaz2 · 15/09/2023 12:38

I thankfully don’t know of any XL Bully’s near me but on two occasions I was walking my westie - always on lead, he has bad recall - he has been attacked by a boxer cross and two staffies. Both absolutely terrifying and the boxer was with 2 older adults being walked off lead and they could barely get the dog off mine. With the staffies it was a man walking them on metal chain leads, who dropped them (how, I have no idea), he then screamed at me to pick up my dog as he clearly knew they were dangerous?! One of them locked onto his back leg while the other was trying to go for his neck! Thankfully my dog survived with just a few cuts but he’s now super nervous and I am too, will actively cross roads and am very vigilant when I see bigger dogs, and especially off lead dogs. I do worry what will end up being replaced by the XL bully

Dullardmullard · 15/09/2023 12:38

Goodornot · 15/09/2023 11:28

I'd like the current dog friendly setting to be reversed too.

I'm fed up of not being able to go anywhere without being bothered by dogs.

Department stores, shops, pubs, cafes, restaurants- dogs are a bloody nightmare.

My partner and I spent over £100 at Gaucho one weekend sitting outside only for it to be spoilt by dogs barking and begging for food at tables.

They're unhygienic and it should go back to them not being allowed anywhere. You want a dog then take it for a walk- don't use a shopping trip to exercise it instead.

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Go to a place that doesn’t have them then as some places don’t allow it at all unless a service dog

MaPaSpa · 15/09/2023 12:38

ComtesseDeSpair · 15/09/2023 11:27

I suspect we could solve an enormous part of the problem if councils and housing associations prohibited dogs over a certain size and weight being kept in their properties and strictly enforced it, as is common policy in public housing (and indeed, apartment blocks generally) in many other countries. Yes yes, we’re not supposed to say it, but I’m willing to bet at least 95% of the owners of these dogs are workshy layabouts in social housing.

Nasty classist disgusting thing to say.

SeenYourArse · 15/09/2023 12:39

spitefulandbadgrammar · 15/09/2023 12:28

Instead of the faffing with dog knives and bum probes and anal fingering and muzzles and lead laws and wardens and muzzles on certain breeds or bans on certain breeds, just ban dogs. V simple, solves the poo issue too, easy to spot if someone’s breaking the law.

Absolutely this 🙌🏼

Dullardmullard · 15/09/2023 12:39

rainbowunicorn · 15/09/2023 12:37

Let's hope so

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You do know it isn’t the dog but the humans that own them that don’t damn train them see them as a fashion statement etc
why don’t we put them down instead mmmmm

Oliotya · 15/09/2023 12:40

SirenSays · 15/09/2023 12:29

I have had many foster dogs who can not be walked in a muzzle because they were either attacked or abused in one or were left in a muzzle for disgustingly long periods of time. A walk is supposed to be a healthy positive thing for a dog, if I had to traumatise them to even leave the house I don't know what I'd do.

If they're too traumatized for a muzzle, they're too traumatized to be trusted in public imo.

FOJN · 15/09/2023 12:41

CantThinkOfANameAtAll · 15/09/2023 11:30

I would assume most dogs can't protect themselves unmuzzled against these aggressive dogs anyway but at least (hopefully) the police would respond very quickly to a large unmuzzled dog report before anything bad happened if every dog was supposed to be muzzled.

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You assume that the only dogs other dogs would need to defend themselves against are the type that are large enough to kill them. And no I do not believe the police would arrive promptly following the report of an unmuzzled dog.

I agree with the posters who say we need better regulation around dog ownership, training and breeding. We seriously need to tackle the breeding issue. The problem we have now is that people think they have a right to own a dog, just because they want one, regardless of whether they are capable of looking after it properly.

There are loads of threads started here about how people buy a dog rather than rescue because they are frustrated by how stringently rescues assess potential owners. There is a thread at the moment with loads of posters telling OP that it's OK to get a dog and leave it on its own for 6 hours a day; they do it and their dog is fine!

Until we treat dog ownership as a serious responsibility there will always be people who think feeding and walking a dog is all the care it needs. Quite honestly we need a culture of judging the shit out of fucking useless dog owners.

GoryBory · 15/09/2023 12:42

If BMWs we’re responsible for most car accidents should we just ban BMWs?

No because that’ll either make BMWs more cool or they’ll just go and drive Audis or something instead.

I understand the reason for banning a breed but I don’t think it will do any good when the issue is irresponsible ownership.

Yes these dogs can do a lot of damage but so can other strong breeds which won’t be banned.

I’m so sick of seeing so many dogs neglected and abused that I think we need to put harsher restrictions in place.

You should only be allowed to get a dog from a rescue centre or breeder (which has a license and regular checks).

Before getting a dog you must first apply for a license and get your dog microchipped and neutered.

If you want to get rid of it then you should only take it to a rescue and not be allowed to sell it on sites such as on gumtree.

One of the biggest issues is that are just too many dogs in the country and people make lots of money from breeding them.
People then buy them and a few moths later just get rid of it.
When it’s a strong breed like this it’s so dangerous.

Having to apply for a license will actually make people think before getting one and neutering them will stop the overbreeding.

Viviennemary · 15/09/2023 12:43

BeeLaidee · 15/09/2023 12:20

I've managed to own dogs for most of my life without any of them biting random people in public. I would strongly oppose any law that all dogs should be muzzled or on a lead in public. Complete and utter overreaction to a problem caused by individuals who are likely to be a problem for society in numerous other ways. It's akin to saying we should ban all cars because of the boy racers.

I would support laws which require certain types of dog to be muzzled, which require dog licences, which prevent all and sundry breeding dogs for easy money, which imposes stiff penalties for those who don't pick up the dog poo and which facilitates dogs being removed from feckless owners before a serious problem arises. Why punish responsible owners for the failings of the minority of irresponsible ones?

Dogs enrich the lives of thousands, if not millions, in this country and I very much doubt that will change any time soon.

Well they don't enrich my life. They are a public nuisance.

Weddingpuzzle · 15/09/2023 12:43

@SirenSays 'A walk is supposed to be a healthy positive thing for a dog' - it's meant to be a healthy, positive thing for a human too? But humans have to deal with dogs misbehaving and biting/knocking over them or their children on their walks and dog owners minimising it? If a human was on a walk and kicked a dog and hurt it or someone was randomly going round with a baseball bat beating walking dogs to death they would (rightly) be punished. I don't really understand why this is such a blind spot for dog owners?