Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

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Just on the news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

I do not own an aggressive dog, he has never bitten anyone. The big dog was 4 times bigger than him and he was very frightened . I didn't bleed, I didn't lose my arm, he nipped me, there wasn't a mark. It was the other dogs owners fault for allowing her huge dog to intimidate him.

You hate dogs fine. Do not accuse me of lying. I was talking about my beagle before. This is a tiny mixed breed who thought he was to be attacked by a huge dog.

He bit you.
You can bend the truth and call me a dog hater all you like, but you're the one lying. At least I don't need to lie to make my point.

What will my dog try again? To defend himself from a big dog attacking him? A Beagle got ripped apart by two dangerous dogs because they are too docile to protect themselves. Even if they did try it wouldn't have stood a chance.

You want the world to ban dogs because you don't like them. Well tough.

I also wasn't lying about my Beagle because I have TWO dogs.

It wasn't the same dog! So how can I be lying? Why are you deliberately pretending you don't understand that it wasn't the B E A G L E.

7 Reasons Why Dogs Wag Their Tails

• 1. Happiness One of the most common reasons why dogs wag their tails is that they are happy! ...
• 2. Relief or Excitement Another reason dogs wag their tails is because they are feeling relief or excitement. ...
• 3. Anxiety or Nervousness ...
• 4. Submission ...
• 5. Curiosity ...
• 6. To Find a Mate! ...
• 7. Aggression or Dominance ...

They wagged their tails while attacking? Spoken like some one with no understanding of dog behaviour !

Have you watched the video?

I don't need to watch a video @ChristopherTalken

Then you do not get to rudely question my statement on what the dogs were doing in the video.

And just because one dog can walk up to one dog do's not mean it will be ok walking up to all dogs.

So you watched a video made to grab attention big deal @ChristopherTalken You trust ppl who get paid for drama ?

I could post loads of video's but you don't see the reality of each thing that happens unless you were there @ChristopherTalken

During lockdown, people got dogs from all over the place - puppy farms, dog rescues, backstreet breeders, Facebook and other online sellers, abroad - the provenance, training and temperament of these dogs were questionable to say the least.

Many of these twerps, had no idea on how to look after pet rocks, let alone train, socialise and look after skittish, bad tempered, dogs, which were potentially lethal animals

With many of these idiots now having to go back to the workplace, these dogs aren't exercised enough (if they ever were), certainly not socialised, not trained well with strangers, other dogs, strange or loud noises and are frank timebombs.

This is before we start talking about any type of bulldogs.

We are going to see things get worse before they get better and people need to avoid dogs that aren't theirs for the time being.

Don't let your children fuck about with toys in public areas or where there are unrestrained dogs, don't let them approach strange dogs (on or off leads) and keep your child close if there are unrestrained dogs in the area.

So using this list, why was I wrong? The dogs were wagging their tails as they disembowelled a man. Because they were....happy? excited? aggressive? Relieved? Curious

Certainly not because they were looking for a mate, or because they were nervous.
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It's a good job I like dogs, my boss has just walked in with one of his and I'm now paying ball instead of working.

I would have needed to be there to see what actually started the attack. And I don't know any thing about how the dogs lived. But hot weather makes dogs more hyper. I try not to watch video's its sad for all involved ppl/dogs @ChristopherTalken

The dogs escaped their house and randomly attacked an elderly woman. Ian Price, her son, stepped in and they tore him to shreds. He was naked by the time it ended.

Its not fucking sad for the dogs. Its sad for the mans family. Its sad for the mother who watched her son have his flesh tore from his bones.

I understand exactly where you are coming from.

The big problem is that too many people refuse to believe that sometimes dogs can just be downright nasty bastards. A nasty bastard XL bully/American Bully (Pitbull cross) is a different kettle of fish to a nasty bastard chihuahua. No dog is a bloody furbaby. All dogs have natural instinct and some individual dogs have a switch that once flicked reveals a side that their completely ignorant owners never thought possible.

I have working dogs and have for thirty years (working Gundogs and sheepdogs) and am under no illusion about the instinct and 'switch' dogs have when it comes to that instinct. Bull breeds have the most dangerous 'switch'. Owners new to this type of dog will hopefully never get to experience this switch. Because of the outcome of a bull breeds head going, I would never ever have one as a pet and cringe when I see them sat on people's sofa with young children.

These bullbreeds have skyrocketed in numbers and are owned mainly now by people who haven't got a bloody clue what they are doing when it comes to dogs. The absolute worst sort of dog for a novice dog owner. The worst.

The video of Ian Price should be watched by anyone that has the gall to question that some dogs are just dangerous and shouldn't exist. Full stop. It doesn't matter why those dogs attacked and killed a man, they did, and people need protecting from animals capable of doing this when those people are simply going about their daily lives.

These dogs are always going to be potentially lethal because of the sheer size and strength of them and instinct that can be switched on to attack and kill whatever has grabbed their attention.

I am appalled anyone can have anything argumentative to say in defence of the dogs after they tore apart an innocent man.

Quite simply there is absolutely no place for dogs like that in society. They serve no purpose whatsoever and bring nothing positive.

The breeders have played the ignorant in society quite sensationally. To sell these things to the public should have them sent straight to prison. As far as I'm concerned it is no better than dealing in arms or drug dealing.

I really don't understand how/why people believe the DDA/BSL worked. There are as many pitbull types registered in the UK today as there were in 1991. And the number of deaths caused by Pitbulls has remained roughly the same.

Can someone please explain how this constitutes a success?

@dawngreen it was a video of two dogs killing a grown man and yes their tails were wagging. I'm not sure what you're actually on about.

Precisely. Banning breeds doesn't prevent them from existing, nor does it stop dog attacks from happening.

@SomeCatFromJapan I did not see that one. I was just pointing out that dogs wag their tails for different reasons.

@Kefaline 100% spot on

Banning murder hasn't stopped murders either. Criminalising the breeding and sale of these dogs at least shows that as a society we don't tolerate them. I hope that it will mean breeding stops, existing dogs are registered and assessed, and dangerous ones and ones with unsuitable owners are put down. I realise this wont completely solve the problem but we shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of the good here.

It hasn't been deemed a success @ Frequency. It was brought in in an attempt to controls these sorts of dogs but the identification process is flawed hence the difficulty in identifying a Pitbull. Pitbulls aren't a recognised breed in this country. I don't know what you mean by 'register'. There is no registration body in the UK that recognises Pitbulls.

If you're suggesting that BSL is flawed, yes you're right it is but not as flawed as humans. Too many innocent people and animals are being attacked and killed by the product of flawed humans.

Decent humans are trying to do something about this other than just posting memes all over facebook suggesting that the problem is not the type of dog.

These dogs are the problem and the people that think they aren't.

Banning them will stop some of the idiots that get them. But not the hard core look at my gang type. They will just hide the dogs, and if they lose one get another. Stop the back street breeders for a start. Stop buying the misses a dog for protection. If it drags her over outside its a liability not funny. Don't put the small dog type extendable lead on a massive dog buy a leather type that can be used as a shorter lead or extendable.