Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

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Just on the news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

I'm not living my everyday life to validate how cute, safe, friendly and gorgeous your dog is. I prefer to walk safely in public spaces without being jumped on or feeling frightened, to eat out without having to deal with dogs getting aggressive with each other, to be shopping in a high end store and all of these exclude assistance dogs of course - there was one on a ferry I went on and such a wee petal, however clear instructions were given not to touch or speak to it by the owner - I don't and never will approach dogs I do not know.

Thank you. As a dog owner I agree. My dog wears a muzzle as he is deaf now so it's the only way to stop him eating any old rotting rubbish he might find on a walk. He only started wearing a muzzle age 14 & it doesn't bother him in the slightest.

The muzzle bothers owners more than it bothers the dog.

Completely agree. Dogs are everywhere and it fuels the entitled attitude of dog owners seeing their pets as "fur babies". Dogs are not children. They have to be treated as dogs. Keep them out of cafes, restaurants unless they are at tables outside.

I agree with shops, cafes & school gates being dog free.

Not at Festivals. A lot of campers have dogs and there are often dog shows on.

We went to a camper meet with 10 vans. Every single van had a dog. All kept on leads. No dog mess left. To be honest though there was not a bully dog anywhere. I saw one last week at a festival and they do terrify me.

First thing this morning logged on to fb, and a local woman was trying to get some one to take her dog. She could not manage her dog, and her hospital appointments, and she wanted the best for her dog. I felt sorry for her a bit util I read the rest of it.

The dog is too big and strong for her to manage, and she did not realise it would grow so big its a rottweiler dog. People pointed out contact a rescue don't go on fb to give your pet away. And research the dog you want to make sure it fits in your family.

Yes!

Quite a dystopian view 😂

I swear people were more upset about that homeless guy's dogs that were shot in London than about the actual people killed. And blaming the poor women who called the police in the first place because she obviously wasn't thrilled at Killer and Fuckface or whatever they were called attacking her actual normal dog.

I think this is an excellent analogy actually.

So many raising this false dichotomy of ‘it’s not the dog it’s the owner’. It can be both. Just because the owners are an issue, doesn’t mean a particular breed shouldn’t be banned. As I think another poster pointed out, if you take the ‘it’s the owner’ principle through to its conclusion, why not allow tiger ownership?

To want to walk in a public space without fear of attack on yourself or worse a child in my mind trumps any rights that dog owners have.

Because a tiger is a wild animal and a dog is domesticated.

People are allowed to own tigers in this country - as long as they follow the right licensing procedures and have the correct enclosures etc.

There are plenty of big cats in private collections in the UK. It's not illegal as long as you follow the law.

https://inews.co.uk/culture/television/britains-tiger-kings-ross-kemp-documentary-reece-oliver-jim-clubb-uk-wild-animal-owners-tonight-935533

This is what concerns me should a muzzle law be introduced. These things escape and have got into neighboring gardens. Poor Jack Lis was simply visiting his friend when he lost his life to one.

Muzzling is a mere bandaid, it isn't a solution.

The fact is that these dogs are mostly in the wrong hands. The type who breeds and owns it won't be adhering to any new laws.

It is desperately worrying and I fear more maiming and deaths before any efficective legislation is in place.

Exactly.

Muzzling only helps if the dogs are being walked in public. It won't make the slightest bit of difference to the number of attacks happening on private property.

The law is that dogs must be under control at all times (even on private property) but you can't introduce a law that says a dog must wear a muzzle 24/7 - they're only designed to be used for short periods and while under supervision.

A muzzle law won't stop dogs escaping gardens, or running out of doors, or attacking guests in their own home. It's a sticking plaster - it's a nice visual way of saying "look! We're doing something" without actually doing much at all.

FB is awash with defenders of this dog. Nobody has mentioned the poor man ripped to shreds, left to die in only his underwear because his clothes had been torn from him.

An absolutely horrific way to die. Poor poor man and the mother he was protecting to have to witness her son savaged to death. But yeah, lets bang on about it being owners and not dogs that are the issue.

We fucking know assholes own all breeds of dogs, but it isn't a pair of Bichon Frise that killed a man and put a primary school on lockdown.

FB is awash with defenders of this dog. Nobody has mentioned the poor man ripped to shreds, left to die in only his underwear because his clothes had been torn from him.

I can't even think too much about what he went through. I saw there was a video doing the rounds as well which is incredibly distressing.

Quite frankly the demographic who own and defend this type of dog are by and large the last group of people who should have charge of any animal, much less something that is capable of killing a grown man. Certainly their compassion towards him is about zero.

I find it interesting that genetics are used to explain away all sorts of behaviours - herding, retrieving, going on a scent - but when it comes to aggression suddenly it's nothing to do with breed and everything to do with the humans

Agree @andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow Had LBC on yesterday and the clambering of callers (mostly women too) defending this dog and claiming it is a family dog left me feeling sick. Nothing any host said shifted them from their stance that its the owners and not the dog.

@SomeCatFromJapan too upsetting to think about. But there can be no denying the overwhelming type that has this dog is someone you wouldn't leave your Nana with for a cup of tea.

This should have been addressed years before now. With council estate box room breeders and litters of up to 18 the horse bolted ages ago.

Blackpool Police don't seem to mind XL Bullies

@VeterinaryCareAssistant

I'm still staggered you haven't expressed any regret for fantasising about vulnerable elderly people in care homes being forced to have a dog they are frightened of 'hug' them when they can't get away. Deeply disturbing thing to think let alone post.

I’ve bought myself a pen knife to go on my key ring bunch so I can at least try and defend myself somehow. Lots of XL bully’s near me.

What are you trying to prove by posting those photos?

The police don't care about safety.

It wasn't just any random old ladies, it was the posters on here spouting venom and fantasising about stabbing or shooting dogs and revelling in dogs being put to sleep. I just thought they deserved a nice bully cuddle in their old age.

I just thought they deserved a nice bully cuddle in their old age

This is in grotesquely poor taste under the circumstances.