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Shit 'friend'... someone help me out here! So bloody confused!

111 replies

Arghusernamestress · 13/09/2023 16:19

Pppftttt so irritated!

Will keep to short points to not bore!

Moved to a new area a few years back.

Woman walked passed me on my way out one day and said hi, got talking and realised she was a neighbour (lives 5 doors down).

Was grateful she approached me, as I DH and goldfishes :) had just moved in and didn't know anyone.

Fast forward 3.5 years; since that day, we've maintained what I hoped was a friendship growing, but I've recently concluded, she's just a fake self absorbed attention seeking friend, who likes to live secluded in her own world, with the comfort of knowing she has a genuine caring friend in me, at her convenience!

Over the entire 3.5 years, we've met maximum 5 times! Any efforts she has made, have piggybacked on my relentless efforts to build a friendhsip, patience and flexibility to suit her forever 'doom and gloom' circumstances, which frankly speaking, I now believe were insanely exaggerated! Mostly around her PILs (I'm guessing this is MN term for parent in laws)!

Half way through this time, after she'd ghosted me on plans a ridiculous number of times (half of which she'd ask for my availability with enthusiasm), after I made myself available, I sent her a very mature message saying in short, I don't have the confidence to make more plans with her and called her out politely on flaking and disrespecting me by disrespecting my time, and that, while I've been insanely understanding of her family commitments (she runs around her very capable PILs and high school child), that I also have a life and if anything, I work FT (she doesn't work, and her PILs live half hour away) in a stressful job and was making myself available on very precious free time, only to be left hanging with no alternative plans and many a precious day going to pot!.

She immediately apologised and we arranged lunch (this was last December) and she made the commitment, and because I valued our 'friendship', I gave her a second chance. But then nothing from her since.

But then we bumped into each other at the local shop 2 months ago, and she was acting all pally pally and in conversation mentioned how she takes our friendship for granted because I'm just down the road! I thought this was cheeky as f and remained short with her until I could shake her off, because I found her fake over enthusiasm so jarring at this point!

After, I actually thought, F THIS, I'm done expecting anything from this woman and cracked on with my life.

Now she's sent me a random message telling me how they had to take her FIL to hospital and how she hopes I'm well. No other context, no how are you? Can we talk? Nothing! I know he had a health scare last year and have no idea if he has now died!

I absolutely detest such attention seeking sophisticated messages from anyone and shes F notorious for them! Like be straight up! I don't have time to decode messages! Unless it's a close family or friend, then I'd understand it totally differently!

I actually didn't know how to reply, and have simply sent well wishes and that I'm also very busy my best friend is getting married and she knows this! We've exchanged a few more messages with her taking the sophisticated attention seeking approach of how stressful 'it' has all been for her, while wishing I'm having fun! I mean, does she want me to apologise for having fun with wedding festivities? Absolutely the f not! So I've persevered with the surface level platonic responses to her nonsense, without giving her an ounce of attention for 'her life', and no comments on the obvious offensive 'poor me here while you're having loads of fun'!

She then told me she's there for me if I need her (same old empty words everytime - given she's so obviously not dependable or reliable!... just total sounds good bs!) got me a present from a weekend away, and if she could 'drop it off'. Yes. She's never been inside my home, nor invited me into hers, because she's always 'oh so rushed and busy'. Even though isn't that what neighbour friends do - invite each other over once you mutually understand you're friends? I simply told her I needed head space and was busy with my life and wedding and would get back to her when I can.

I don't want her gift, nor do I want to drag out this strange whatever you want to call it.

I know I may come across as really unfriendly. I swear I'm the opposite. I am a genuine friend, make lots of effort, yet not clingy or needy, just a genuine friend!

And I'm always nice to her kids, husband and PILs when I see them (and will of course maintain neighbourly courtesy smiles and greetings when I see her - which really is rarely - and her kids).

My definition of friendship involves being in each others lives, meeting up as regularly as realistically possible, and knowing the basics of each others lives. So much has happened in my life over the last three years, and this neighbour barely knows any of it, because our few catch ups have been her [as I now recognise in hindsight] emotional dumping and me offering a genuine ear, handholding somewhat and sound advice!

I work FT. I have a life and can always find something to do. I make time for the people I like. I just feel a little put out with her and a irritated for making so much wasted effort towards her and her children (lots of gifting on my part at Xmas, Easter etc, and for her).

I feel confused about what the F she actually wants from me. I mean we live 5 doors apart! I have better friendships with friends who live hours and even countries apart!

AIBU IN MY JUDGMENT OF HER BEING A FLAKY FAKE SELF ABSORBED RECLUSIVE FRIEND?

I would genuinely appreciate other people's opinions on this sort of behaviour! Because regardless of my judgement, I still just don't get it!

And how do I shake her off fully?! After my last attempt, I really don't want to whats the word, erm, dignify her bs with another mature text officially ending our whatever she wants to call it! She's just not that important!

It's bothering me knowing she'll send me a 'seasonal message' as self assurance that I'm still around!

Apologies for the language. I'm pissed off! 😤

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Viviennemary · 13/09/2023 17:11

She is just one of those vague people who never means what she says. Be just as vague as her. Oh we must meet up for coffee some time. Knowing it's never going to happen. Don't stress about it or take her to task not worth it.

Peacendkindness · 13/09/2023 17:12

OkNotOkInbetween · 13/09/2023 16:23

You've made this into something huge.

You should have backed off ages ago.

Just don't message her. tell her you're busy.

I don't understand why you have hung on for so long. It's quite cringey.

This.

when I moved my son made a friend in the year above and they got really well so I thought I might set up a play date - I was 4 hours on the phone to mum - I got her whole life story, death of one husband, divorce and court for number two and the third one - accidentally pregnancy and various custody issues etc amongst the children x3. She was telling me loads of personal stuff and over sharing and kept talking about coming around and wanted to drink drink drink etc and so it went on.

I messaged her about meeting up - no answer and then she was so pally pally at the school gates - and let’s meet up - I thought ok I’ll send another message - no reply and it’s definitely the right number - so I just deleted and blocked her.

I haven’t got time for that shit / you are why too invested just be civil and back off and don’t arrange any meet ups

PoisonMaple · 13/09/2023 17:12

I struggled to read your entire post, it was draining!

You sound full on and very, very intense. Back off and leave her be. She's shown you that you're a casual acquaintance.

More hobbies for you.

Mosaic123 · 13/09/2023 17:12

You are barely friends. Certainly she is not interested in you at all.

Sadly, I think you should stick to a friendly wave at her if you you see her passing and that's it.

Use your energy elsewhere

GoryBory · 13/09/2023 17:13

I think you just need to back off a bit.
She obviously doesn’t want the same sort of friendship you want.

It sounds like you want someone to meet up with and make time for whereas she’d be happy just communicating over text.

I wouldn’t fall out with her but I wouldn’t go out of my way to be friends with her.

If she texts then reply back if you to.
If you’re bored one day then you can always ask if she’s free.

I would say she’s more of an acquaintance than a good friend so I wouldn’t even get upset over it.

Friendships are like relationships, they’re meant to improve your life not make it worse.

Focus on your real friends and find ways to make new ones if you want to.

noadvice · 13/09/2023 17:17

I feel very sorry for the neighbour - a woman who sounds like she has been friendly and neighbourly and is now having to send occasional texts/gifts to seemingly keep you on side so that you don’t blow up on her again about nothing.

You don’t need to end anything as there is nothing to end. Be polite and friendly to this neighbour moving forward. There is no need for soul searching about a “friendship” you have conjured up in your head. All of your hurt feelings seem to stem from unrealistic expectations about a “friendship” with this woman who was simply friendly to you.

Would love to hear her side of it!

AliceOlive · 13/09/2023 17:17

Arghusernamestress · 13/09/2023 17:08

No I didn't send her an intense message to the effect of demanding more from her time, but simply told her (when she for the 100th time messaged me asking about my availability) that she'd already displayed poor respect for my time by flaking so many times on the trot :-/

You said you "called her out". That's intense.

What's the doom and gloom you referred to above?

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 13/09/2023 17:19

Arghusernamestress · 13/09/2023 16:19

Pppftttt so irritated!

Will keep to short points to not bore!

Moved to a new area a few years back.

Woman walked passed me on my way out one day and said hi, got talking and realised she was a neighbour (lives 5 doors down).

Was grateful she approached me, as I DH and goldfishes :) had just moved in and didn't know anyone.

Fast forward 3.5 years; since that day, we've maintained what I hoped was a friendship growing, but I've recently concluded, she's just a fake self absorbed attention seeking friend, who likes to live secluded in her own world, with the comfort of knowing she has a genuine caring friend in me, at her convenience!

Over the entire 3.5 years, we've met maximum 5 times! Any efforts she has made, have piggybacked on my relentless efforts to build a friendhsip, patience and flexibility to suit her forever 'doom and gloom' circumstances, which frankly speaking, I now believe were insanely exaggerated! Mostly around her PILs (I'm guessing this is MN term for parent in laws)!

Half way through this time, after she'd ghosted me on plans a ridiculous number of times (half of which she'd ask for my availability with enthusiasm), after I made myself available, I sent her a very mature message saying in short, I don't have the confidence to make more plans with her and called her out politely on flaking and disrespecting me by disrespecting my time, and that, while I've been insanely understanding of her family commitments (she runs around her very capable PILs and high school child), that I also have a life and if anything, I work FT (she doesn't work, and her PILs live half hour away) in a stressful job and was making myself available on very precious free time, only to be left hanging with no alternative plans and many a precious day going to pot!.

She immediately apologised and we arranged lunch (this was last December) and she made the commitment, and because I valued our 'friendship', I gave her a second chance. But then nothing from her since.

But then we bumped into each other at the local shop 2 months ago, and she was acting all pally pally and in conversation mentioned how she takes our friendship for granted because I'm just down the road! I thought this was cheeky as f and remained short with her until I could shake her off, because I found her fake over enthusiasm so jarring at this point!

After, I actually thought, F THIS, I'm done expecting anything from this woman and cracked on with my life.

Now she's sent me a random message telling me how they had to take her FIL to hospital and how she hopes I'm well. No other context, no how are you? Can we talk? Nothing! I know he had a health scare last year and have no idea if he has now died!

I absolutely detest such attention seeking sophisticated messages from anyone and shes F notorious for them! Like be straight up! I don't have time to decode messages! Unless it's a close family or friend, then I'd understand it totally differently!

I actually didn't know how to reply, and have simply sent well wishes and that I'm also very busy my best friend is getting married and she knows this! We've exchanged a few more messages with her taking the sophisticated attention seeking approach of how stressful 'it' has all been for her, while wishing I'm having fun! I mean, does she want me to apologise for having fun with wedding festivities? Absolutely the f not! So I've persevered with the surface level platonic responses to her nonsense, without giving her an ounce of attention for 'her life', and no comments on the obvious offensive 'poor me here while you're having loads of fun'!

She then told me she's there for me if I need her (same old empty words everytime - given she's so obviously not dependable or reliable!... just total sounds good bs!) got me a present from a weekend away, and if she could 'drop it off'. Yes. She's never been inside my home, nor invited me into hers, because she's always 'oh so rushed and busy'. Even though isn't that what neighbour friends do - invite each other over once you mutually understand you're friends? I simply told her I needed head space and was busy with my life and wedding and would get back to her when I can.

I don't want her gift, nor do I want to drag out this strange whatever you want to call it.

I know I may come across as really unfriendly. I swear I'm the opposite. I am a genuine friend, make lots of effort, yet not clingy or needy, just a genuine friend!

And I'm always nice to her kids, husband and PILs when I see them (and will of course maintain neighbourly courtesy smiles and greetings when I see her - which really is rarely - and her kids).

My definition of friendship involves being in each others lives, meeting up as regularly as realistically possible, and knowing the basics of each others lives. So much has happened in my life over the last three years, and this neighbour barely knows any of it, because our few catch ups have been her [as I now recognise in hindsight] emotional dumping and me offering a genuine ear, handholding somewhat and sound advice!

I work FT. I have a life and can always find something to do. I make time for the people I like. I just feel a little put out with her and a irritated for making so much wasted effort towards her and her children (lots of gifting on my part at Xmas, Easter etc, and for her).

I feel confused about what the F she actually wants from me. I mean we live 5 doors apart! I have better friendships with friends who live hours and even countries apart!

AIBU IN MY JUDGMENT OF HER BEING A FLAKY FAKE SELF ABSORBED RECLUSIVE FRIEND?

I would genuinely appreciate other people's opinions on this sort of behaviour! Because regardless of my judgement, I still just don't get it!

And how do I shake her off fully?! After my last attempt, I really don't want to whats the word, erm, dignify her bs with another mature text officially ending our whatever she wants to call it! She's just not that important!

It's bothering me knowing she'll send me a 'seasonal message' as self assurance that I'm still around!

Apologies for the language. I'm pissed off! 😤

Just trying to put it into some sort of context: This person is a neighbour who lives 5 doors down, and from being complete strangers, you've met with each other on a total of 5 times in 3.5 years? So your meetings average once every 7 to 8 months. I'm guessing you've spent less than 20 hours of any sort of quality time with her?

I don't know what is your definition of 'friend', but I would suggest you are merely passing (friendly) acquaintances/neighbours and that you cannot possibly know enough about each other to make any deep, nor accurate claims, nor conclusions as to personality.

To be honest if I was genuinely trying to be a good friend to somebody whose very early judgement of me was that I am "flaky, fake, self-absorbed and reclusive" my response would be 'I am rubber, you are glue: bounces off me and sticks to you'. I would, however, continue to be a polite neighbour.

AmyDudley · 13/09/2023 17:21

You sound incredibly angry and worked up over what is essentially an acquaintance/neighbour.
You clearly don;t like her and are interpreting everything she does through your feelings of dislike. I'm not sure what you mean about her sophisticated message when she said her FIL was unwell and asked if you were well. That just sounds like an ordinary message to me, I think you are massively overthinking it.

I have lots of acquaintances who if I bump into them, they or I would say 'hey nice to see you, do you have time for a quick coffee?' but I don't make social arrangements with them.
I have other people who are friends who I meet up with, go out with, stay with, go on holiday with. They are different levels of closeness and there's room for both in your life and both can be pleasurable.

This woman falls firmly in the first category, - pleasant chit chat if you happen to bump into each other. And that's where you need to place her and not expect or give any more than that, she's taking up way too much of your headspace, no one is worth that amount of angst, certainly not a person you've seen 5 times in 3 years!
Or if you want her totally out of you life, then give her a wide berth, you don't have to reply to anything or do anything you don't want to.

Arghusernamestress · 13/09/2023 17:21

Let me clarify, we've been out together for coffee and lunch about 5 times! We've met many times on passing and exchanging gifts -_-

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Winter2020 · 13/09/2023 17:22

I think some people are being quite harsh on you.

We are used to the idea that in a romantic relationship someone can blow hot and cold and mess you around. I think you have this in friendship form with her saying one thing but her actions showing you something else. It is not making you feel good so go cold on her.

GalileoHumpkins · 13/09/2023 17:23

attention seeking sophisticated messages

I'm kind of sad I've never received one of these, in what way are they sophisticated?

WolfFoxHare · 13/09/2023 17:24

I’m not reading all that.

I’m happy for you though.

Or sorry that happened.

Alleycatz · 13/09/2023 17:25

Judge people on their actions @Arghusernamestress for some people words are just sounds that come out of their mouths and your acquaintance is one of those people.

HeatherMoores · 13/09/2023 17:26

5 times in 3 and a half years?!!

I don’t know how you can consider her to be a friend let alone a vaguely friendly occasional neighbour acquaintance! Or give her so much head space.

You literally barely know the woman!

Edit: ok so she’s a neighbour you’re fairly friendly with. You don’t have a close friendship with her. I think your expectations are way out of proportion to the actual relationship you have with her. Just stop trying to plan things with her and when she says let’s do x y and z just go yeah great, knowing full well it won’t happen.
Meanwhile carry on having the odd pleasant chat when you bump into her now and again. That’s all it is, or ever was.

Arghusernamestress · 13/09/2023 17:27

Ah thank you. Sheesh this thread has made me sound like a desperate neighbour hounding and forcing a neighbour to be a friend (so far from the truth) and completely missed the detail that yes... she blows hot and cold convenient to her needs in her life! I should have clarified in my post that we've shared lunch outings at least 5 times, and met many more times on passing and gift exchanges throughout the first two years -_-

And friendly neighbours being polite don't send a random message saying their FIL has taken ill, and hope I'm having fun! He behaviour has been confusing, but I'm not confused about such oversharing randomly, if she sees me as just a neighbour!

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WeeOrcadian · 13/09/2023 17:27

You don't need permission to ignore her

You're making a mountain out of a molehill

Just ignore her and move on

Sarvanga38 · 13/09/2023 17:28

Over the entire 3.5 years, we've met maximum 5 times!

It is bizarre how much thought you are expending on someone that is barely a passing acquaintance. Met five times, never been in each other's houses?

If you see her, have a friendly chat then go about your day. That is all that needs to come of this.

Twerkingfromhome · 13/09/2023 17:29

You sound way over invested. Chill out

Miyagi99 · 13/09/2023 17:29

GalileoHumpkins · 13/09/2023 17:23

attention seeking sophisticated messages

I'm kind of sad I've never received one of these, in what way are they sophisticated?

I don’t have a clue but secretly hope someone somewhere is complaining about my texts being sophisticated rofl

newnamethanks · 13/09/2023 17:30

She doesn't want a new friend. She is not your friend. Leave her alone. Get a hobby.

TellingBone · 13/09/2023 17:32

SquirrelFan · 13/09/2023 17:08

Chat... bot....?

If it is it doesn't understand the term 'sophisticated' 😄

MysteriousShopper · 13/09/2023 17:32

It sounds like you have pursued a friendship with someone who doesn't want to be a friend. You should have let it drop ages ago.

honeyandfizz · 13/09/2023 17:38

WolfFoxHare · 13/09/2023 17:24

I’m not reading all that.

I’m happy for you though.

Or sorry that happened.

GrinGrinGrin

honeyandfizz · 13/09/2023 17:38

WolfFoxHare · 13/09/2023 17:24

I’m not reading all that.

I’m happy for you though.

Or sorry that happened.

I did you'd be glad you didn't