Dartford Crossing protester, possible deportation

[WildAlphabet]

Essex radio did an interview with the partner of a protester who climbed the dartford bridge as part of Just Stop Oil.

The gist of it is he was surprised to get three years in prison, they expected a few months. The length of his sentence means he’s facing deportation, as a German national.

They did a phone in, and I was quite surprised that even the angry radio essex listeners they put on, who were massively against his actions, disagreed with deportation as additional punishment. Some wanted community service to make up for the loss they suffered, others name called, but they thought splitting a family was too much.

I was kind of intrigued how the mumsnet demographic would view it, often being quite rule-bound or conservative. Personally I disagree with the one year rule for deportation, particularly for non violent crimes. It’s out of sync with most of the world. I guess also as a second generation immigrant who could also potentially lose the right to stay here if wrongly convicted, it’s scary on a personal level. It’s played on my mind the last few days

Here’s an article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-66756841.amp

I'm not a Just Stop Oil member and I've just pointed out how I don't do enough but they did make me stop and think, which I suppose was their intention. I have a job why do you assume I don't.

I watched the Guardian Environment reporter follow the Just Stop Oil people, many of them appear to be retired and had occupations like Teachers or are vicars. They acknowledged their disruption wasn't working so they have tried different stuff. I don't know if it is a good idea but it did make me think about how I don't do that much at all given the impending doom that faces us and is happening now!

I didn't get on my high horse, so don't quote me for things I never said.

He doesn't have a family here to split

What city are you referring to? Easy to state they are 'thick' etc but it is just insults for the sake of it. Having watched the Guardian investigative journalist report they are definitely not think, they are educated and articulate. I like to keep an open mind about things though as to solve the green issues we need to work together not throw around insults.

Thick, not 'think'.

Rape is a MINIMUM 4 year sentence.... people convicted of Rape cannot get less than 4 years. Likewise Murder is minimum 15 years (for over 18's)....a quick google will tell you this.

I’m not referring to Windrush non-law breakers.
People like this amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/mar/07/jamaica-hostel-vulnerable-us-uk-mental-health-deportees-acc
and many others.
Not ‘good’ immigrants. I’m making the point I still support the humane treatment and equality for those petty law breaker’s deported caught up in untreated mental health needs, poverty or desperation in their young lives

Then talk about those @WildAlphabet

Because that is an extremely different senario to the one you started the thread about and you are berating posters for not caring enough about the second senario because they don't agree with you about the first entirely different senario.

The City. The square mile, where they turn up each year to smash windows and graffiti the buildings.

And yes, they are definitely thick, which is why they are gluing themselves to roads rather than engineering better solutions for green technology and decarbonisation of our economy.

I am talking about them.
I’ve explained the issue with the law because a poster tried to twist this into a ‘what about the non-whites’ thing. Claiming that I was only interested in this one man.
I clarified that this particular radio show put the issue in my mind, but that I didn’t support the law in the wider sense.
The poster in question then didn’t recognise that weighing up immigrants as good/ bad in circumstances like I shared above was in itself racist- that a black child and a white child raised in this country do not have equal chances in many circumstances and also are the main losers here.
But it’s about the ‘good’ windrush to them, they are acceptable, but not the failed little boys raised here who disproportionately face the justice system or are sentenced harshly. They matter too, not just the ideal immigrants.

It’s exactly the same issue. Short prison sentences leading to automatic deportation for non-violent crimes.

A quick google tells you that no, some men got three years and one got two years https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1732724/Rape-jail-sentence-short-data-police-force-Survivors-Trust/amp

but not the failed little boys raised here who disproportionately face the justice system or are sentenced harshly.

So they should be let off? Upbringings should be reflected in sentences? What do you want to happen? The victims would have a different view I’m sure

Yeah get rid of him

Who told you their only goal was to get in the news?

The idea is to apply pressure to the government to take climate change seriously and stop investing in oil.

Maybe you need to read up a bit on how civil disobedience functions.

Another poster who could do with reading up on civil disobedience.

Oh, I see, you didn't refer to The City in capitals so it wasn't clear what city you were/are referring to. The people I watched on the documentary weren't smashing up The City!

How do you know the extent of their projects, every one of them, all members of this group? It is short sighted to be so absolute in your convictions and dare I say it, not demonstrative of intelligence.

I believe people born, raised and schooled here should have equal rights
I believe people shouldn’t be disadvantaged by their parents’ immigration status and there should be a pathway for those who turn 18 in the UK for those with no links to any other country and long term childhood residence or birth here. For example automatic rights for continuous residence since primary school with no care covers abroad.
Many people came over in good faith when visas were more relaxed. Their children shouldn’t be treated as foreign because of this, their children are equal to mine

You just jumped to Windrush because you were told Yabu

No, because it was raised by a previous poster.

When rapists get months (if they even have the case taken to court!) and violent crimes less, I think it's ridiculous. Pandering to the 'anti forriners' crowd, as usual.

*But it’s about the ‘good’ windrush to them, they are acceptable, but not the failed little boys raised here who disproportionately face the justice system or are sentenced harshly. They matter too, not just the ideal immigrants.

I believe people born, raised and schooled here should have equal rights
I believe people shouldn’t be disadvantaged by their parents’ immigration status and there should be a pathway for those who turn 18 in the UK for those with no links to any other country and long term childhood residence or birth here. For example automatic rights for continuous residence since primary school with no care covers abroad.
Many people came over in good faith when visas were more relaxed. Their children shouldn’t be treated as foreign because of this, their children are equal to mine*

Literally none of which actually applies to the person you started the thread about.

But now you are making out like if posters are okay with a man on a temporary work visa who gave up work being deported then they are equally okay with people who grew up here being deported.

I agree that people who have gone through schooling here should have an easy pathway to continuous residence. That doesn't mean I think someone on a temporary work visa shouldn't be deported if they stop working, with or without a criminal record.

Yeah plus numerous threads every week about how bad the Tories are and how awful Brexit has been.

Having said that, I agree that the punishment seems overly harsh. And I say that as someone who hates JSO protesters and their tactics.

Absolutely no sympathy from me, I was caught up in the traffic at the dartford toll as I was driving from Kent to Essex to take my mum to a hospital appointment.. Left myself two hours and she still missed it, had to wait 8 weeks for another one.

Pain in the arse the lot of them and maybe this will show them that actions have consequences.

Ok, now I have rtft, I see there is more to the story as per

I think you are one of the first people to manage to separate the concepts of what you like or support from what is just.

Others are making it about disliking him, meaning he should be deported. I also disagree with the action, think he’s stupid and feel no affinity- despite what others are trying to claim to justify their position.

Ultimately though being an idiot isn’t usually a reason for a sentence of a similar scale or deportations.