Dartford Crossing protester, possible deportation

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Essex radio did an interview with the partner of a protester who climbed the dartford bridge as part of Just Stop Oil.

The gist of it is he was surprised to get three years in prison, they expected a few months. The length of his sentence means he’s facing deportation, as a German national.

They did a phone in, and I was quite surprised that even the angry radio essex listeners they put on, who were massively against his actions, disagreed with deportation as additional punishment. Some wanted community service to make up for the loss they suffered, others name called, but they thought splitting a family was too much.

I was kind of intrigued how the mumsnet demographic would view it, often being quite rule-bound or conservative. Personally I disagree with the one year rule for deportation, particularly for non violent crimes. It’s out of sync with most of the world. I guess also as a second generation immigrant who could also potentially lose the right to stay here if wrongly convicted, it’s scary on a personal level. It’s played on my mind the last few days

Here’s an article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-66756841.amp

If he came post brexit on a work visa and isn’t working then he should be deported regardless of any oil protests.

dd is about to move to Italy on a visa with strict restrictions, if she doesn’t follow them she gets deported. She knows this.

I think an erosion of our civil liberties and the manipulation of he right wing press is more an 'all of us' problem than a 'me' problem. If you read or understand any investigative journalism you'd understand that. Sorry what was that about being so educated and intelligent - how are you defining that.

Boris Becker was deported so he is not the only one

Marriage doesn't automatically give a right to reside.

Sorry I think he deserves it!

Was Boris Becker protesting about Climate change I can't recall..

He was a white criminal like this person so similar

I have no sympathy. He's living in a foreign country and knowingly broke the law. He should be deported.

Should have been a minimum of five years

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Why? Why would the tax payer be footing a bill for prison accomodation that is not a threat to people. Where does the arbitary '5' come from?

We've already had that nugget of wisdom.

Or deported instead which is better

@VeloVixen

*It says deportation if no legal right to be here. And they’re not talking about him specifically .

I’m assuming he does have a legal right to be here. If he was here before brexit? Or she can always marry him?*

This is the bit the OP is studiously ignoring despite several posts.

He is here on a work visa. He gave up work. He has broken the terms of his visa which has a potential consequence of deportation regardless of criminal status. Therefore he no longer had the legal right to be here.

If the OP wants to discuss whether a, or what lengths of, criminal record results in you being deported is one thing. But championing someone who may have been deported anyway to do so seems a bit of an own goal.

Wasn't he already on bail or was it the other person?

YABU Good riddance.

Mumsnet is very much not Conservative.

Well I suspect she’s not actually his partner. Just another oil protestor trying to help him by agreeing to her name on his sob story.

My instinct is to agree that deportation for this is harsh. But my rational head says that it is wrong to try to categorise crimes as "important" and "not-important". If he isn' deported because he has a family here, then what about the rapist who has a family here? I don't think we can pick and choose who we like and who we don't. So we have a rule and these are the consequences of breaking it.

I think the CJS is imposing these harsh sentences because the ruling class know what's coming - in a decade or two, people like this man who protest the very visible and immediate destruction of the planet will be numerous, and supported by most. Prison is supposed to put people off, and make us easier to deal with when that time comes.

They both were according to the reports.

He doesn't have a family here. He apparently has a 'partner' who signed a petition to stop his deportation who he wasn't living with as he had no fixed abode and who didn't know what his plans were till she saw it on TV.

So the 'splitting up families' idea posited is completely false.

And he came here on a work visa with little evidence of him working other than stating he is/was 'a private tutor'.

He was already on Police bail at the time of this offence which caused significant financial impact to local businesses and other people just trying to go about their daily business.

And some bleeding hearts for some reason think it's outrageous that he should be deported back to the country of his birth and where he lived for decades before coming to the UK and committing crimes as well as not adhering to the work visa which he used to gain entry to the UK in the first place.

But why should the consequences be so much greater for him and his family, purely because of the passport he holds?

His prison sentence is one thing, and justifiably deserved considering the disruption to thousands of people's lives.
The deportation follows on as a result of that sentence.
Another entitled prick who has no qualms upsetting countless people, but cries "not fair" when inconvenienced by his own actions.

He doesn't have a family here. Or a job. Or a house. Or any reason at all to be here.

He doesn't have a family in the UK. He doesn't even have anywhere to live in the UK.

He was listed as NFA in all court documents.

What he has is a woman saying she's his partner and she's signed a petition against his deportation.

A 'partner' he clearly wasn't living with as he had no fixed address and she's told the press she had no idea what he was up to till she saw it on TV.

This isn't a case for people to think a moral or civil rights injustice is occurring.

It's not. It's really clear. He is a German citizen who came to the UK on a work visa in adulthood which he has not adhered to. In addition to that, he committed criminal offences which resulted in a prison sentence which would make him eligible for deportation regardless of his violating his work visa.

That's it. There's no splitting up of families or tragedy happening. He was sofa-surfing or illegally squatting before he was convicted.

He has no family here. He has nowhere to live even if he was not deported.

He is not the UKs problem. And all he's done since coming to the UK is cause the UK problems so of course it's right he be deported to the country that does bear responsibility for him as he is their citizen and their problem.

And it's Germany FFS. Not a war zone or a 3rd world country. He'll be just fine.