To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

He was Scottish and English

He's British. English and Welsh have no legal standing so he can call himself whichever of those two he feels like

Being a British national by being born here ended in 1985. Still is the case in the USA.

Pp are confusing nationality and ethnicity. Eg if you are a second generation immigrant from South Asia you are British even if both your parents were born in Pakistan.

Exactly. It seems like he might consider himself Welsh and the OP is trying to prove him wrong. Just let the man be!

What country issued his passport(s)? That’s usually a pretty big clue.

What is his first language?

Anyway, you’ve been given the answer; there is no definitive answer. Let him decide.

His nationality in terms of passport is British. I would expect his cultural identity to be Welsh, but that’s up to him and not anybody else.

It isn’t possible to acquire a right to British citizenship merely by being born in the UK, so it would seem wholly irrational to tell someone that they’re English rather than Welsh when they have been born in England of Welsh parentage. Nationality is inherited in the UK, it isn’t dependent on place of birth.

Ive come across a lot of English people over the years who take others’ non-English British identity as some kind of personal affront and make a huge thing of telling people they’re not [whatever], they’re clearly English because xyz. It’s tiresome and insulting. Don’t be one of those people.

He could be either or both, it's up to him. Technically there is no difference as he has UK nationality. However, if these were actually two separate nation states, the answer would depend on the rules in each country as well as potentially what his parents decided for him at birth and whether he applied for the passport of the other country as well.

I need to know if you think the answer is English or Welsh

If you need to know then ask him not MN.

The word nation derives from the same root word in Latin as ethnos does in Greek. The Welsh are an ethnic group and a nationality so by ethnicity and nationality he's Welsh. Culturally he may be English, or a combination of English and Welsh, only he knows that really. He's British in the sense that it's a collective noun for the ethnic groups/nations native to Britain. And he's British by citizenship.

@ginandtonicwithlimes what if he was born in Japan and had a Japanese accent? Would that make him Japanese?

Ok providing your parents have citizenship if 1985 above is correct.

England and Wales are NOT the same country!!!!

Yes they are. The country is UK. England and Wales are nations.

Why are you asking in MN though? Doesn't he know whether he feels Welsh or English or British?

Do you like him because it's very much coming across that you don't.

It sounds like you want him to be wrong about his own nationality.

Ive come across a lot of English people over the years who take others’ non-English British identity as some kind of personal affront and make a huge thing of telling people they’re not [whatever], they’re clearly English because xyz. It’s tiresome and insulting. Don’t be one of those people

Yes to this. And also to being half British half another nationality and people thinking they have a right to police your identity

Welsh.

Ah, that will be why they have separate passports, legal frameworks, currency, dialling codes, representation at the UN…

Passport and national identity are two very different things. His parents are Welsh and therefore he may consider himself Welsh because of genetics culture etc Similarly to the Scottish guy mentioned above. Not to get into Irish politics, but if two people from the Northern Ireland had a child that they brought up in England the child would be entitled to an Irish passport, for the very reason that nationality is not the same as geography /political boundaries.
I recognise that English people may find it hard to get their head around this because their nationality has not been subjugated in recent times.

English with welsh heritage.

English with Welsh parents. Born and bred in England = English.
I’m betting he prefers to say he’s Welsh though.

Well in some respects yes it would as he was born there. I don't think he is completely English but neither is he just Welsh if he has been born and raised in England. Even if your parents are Pakistani you would still be British Pakistani. Some here seem to think he is solely Welsh.

Nell Gyn was meant to be of Welsh ancestry but everyone thinks of her as English because she was born in London. I don't see the difference?

Is anyone else reading the op's posts and hearing Stacey from Gavin & Stacey?

British

How was his blood pressure yesterday evening? That should give you the answer- if he's welsh it would have been through the roof