To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

Your partner sounds like a dickhead nutcase

Most of us are a mix of English, Welsh and Scottish anyway. Calm yer tatties

What confuses me is why he is so offended at being called English when that’s really what he is isn’t he????

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He is whatever he considers he is.
To reject one country that he is descended from over another is very difficult and many dual nationals struggle with this. Not wishing to offend one or other parents.
My mother was dual and fiercely proud of both parts
My father was dual and totally ignored one part for many years due to the war.
I was born in a country - none of which my parents descended from, raised in three others, married another dual national and now reside in another!!

I support each country i idenitfy with at different times - hope for a draw if it is a sports match and leave other people to try and tell me what I am!

Same for my son, born in England with a Welsh dad...he identifies as Welsh especially when it comes to Rugby.

That is true. 🤣

Yes exactly this - he can call himself whatever he wants, but he is British with Welsh heritage. You were wrong to call him half Welsh though as that's definitely not the case. I can see why he doesn't feel like he is English if he was brought up by Welsh parents and strongly identifies with that culture.

I am from Montserrat - A british OST - The population is tiny , less than 10 000. The population is made up of mostly Black and Irish people, or a mix. African slaves , Irish servants.

I was born and raised in England though. The number of time I was told "Go back to Africa"... When I am literally from the UK too. BUT I would never call myself "English ". I find the English to be racist and obsessed with skin colour.

The entire UK isn't just "England". We get it, you have a huge population and imposed yourself in the country. Let's people identify how they want.

Prove it.

Your description was inaccurate, he's not half-Welsh because his parents are Welsh but he grew up in England.

The accurate description is just that - his parents are Welsh but he grew up in England.

If he wants to call himself just Welsh, that is up to him. Do you want to prove him wrong or something? This is all about identity - 'factually', he is British.

But how about British Oversea territories?
Most of us are of West African or Mixed roots. So we aren't British?

Have a look at some of the anti English comments on here. Could be why.

You can’t educate spam 🤦🏼‍♀️

There is not a right answer.
It's about him and how he identifies. I have friends in similar circs, some say they are Welsh and others English. Funnily enough the ones with Scots heritage are firmly Scottish

Can the people using passports as an example understand that we have BRITISH passports.
We don't get ENGLISH or WELSH passports.
For the record, my partner specifically states that he does not identify with being British.
So to everyone saying he's British, the issue here is whether he is Welsh or English.
And I mean this is factual, literal terms.
Not what he identifies with.
He is saying it's not that he 'identifies' with being Welsh. He says in literal terms, he IS 100% Welsh.
I'm asking the question to see if someone knows the literal answer. We are NOT talking about identity. My partner is not talking about identify.
I'm not trying to stamp down on his identity.
I accept about being wrong about saying 'half Welsh'. What I meant by this is that he's part Welsh because his parents were Welsh, but part English because he was born in England, raised in England, still to this day lives in England, speaks English, never lived in Wales, has no living relatives in Wales......so to me he's part English, part Welsh. I should have used the word 'part' not 'half'. I've apolohised and explained this to him last night. He got angry again and said "I AM WELSH AND ONLY WELSH!!!!! I AM NOT IN ANY WAY ENGLISH!!!"

This is the same situation as my parents were working class, so I am, regardless of current circumstances. That was the culture they grew up in and identify with.

The only subjective answer is British, anything else is feels.

His nationality is British, because that is a legal thing. You can't hold a Welsh passport. Or an English passport. Or for the moment, a Scottish one.

But what you are asking about is his cultural identity, not his nationality. Culturally, his family is Welsh, as that's where his ancestors came from and where probably his family traditions and some language.

Dh's grandparents are Welsh (other grandparent's are English). His dad never lived in Wales. Dh considers himself sort of half Welsh in a way, as his dad's family had strong Welsh ties and traditions. He's never lived in Wales, but it's part of his cultural heritage. If you asked him his nationality though, he'd tell you he is British (which he is). But part of his cultural history and the story of his family is Welsh.

It's not as black and white as being only one or the other.

This. He is a British citizen and will hold a British passport. He is free to identify as English or Welsh as he wishes though.

My father was born in germany, both his parents Scottish, he lived in Germany till he was 6 then moved to England where he still lives now.

He identifies as Scottish. He is definitely not German, he doesnt speak the language and remembers little of his time there. He doesnt see him self as English as neither he nor is parents were born here. Scottish has the strongest links.

Makes sense to me why your husband sees himself as Welsh and maybe you should just respect that.

Even by the definition of the Welsh government he's 100% a member of the Welsh ethnic group because his parents are Welsh. It's not about who brought him up or what culture he identifies with. You can also be culturally but not ethnically Welsh. He's Welsh by ethnicity. He's British by citizenship, as in a subject/citizen of the British state, which is what you mean when you say he's British.

It doesn’t matter if he identifies or not with being British - he is British! This is the only fact here.

There is no formal definition of Welsh/ English that you can use. It is just his feelings.

Sorry OP but you're contradicting yourself.

Legally, he is British. That is what it says on his passport.

He may not identify as British, which is fine if he wants to identify as Welsh.

But that means that his legal nationality is British and his national identity is Welsh. There is no third kind of factual nationality.

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Find it bizarre when people claim a nationality of somewhere they’ve never lived