To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

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Strictly-speaking 'cwtsh' is only a word in a dialect of a part of Wales. Cwtch is not a Welsh word.

There are many local dialects in Wales and the UK where the words are only used in the area where that dialect is used.

He can choose. If he says he’s Welsh, he can be Welsh - in the ‘qualifies for national football team’ sense. The born-and-bred Welsh will consider him English, though.

Why do you care?

I find it a bit odd, he's never lived in Wales, yet calls himself Welsh?
If he is so obviously identifying as a Welshman, why not go and live in Wales and embrace their culture?

I find this casual dislike for the English bizarre.

I work with a Scottish guy, who has lived and worked in England for 40+ years, has an English wife and children born and raised in England, yet still slates the English at every opportunity.

Obviously he can identify as whatever he wants these days, I just, personally, find it odd

You don't get to switch from swearing and pearl clutching to pretending to be sciencey. I'm not going to pretend to debate reality with you.

He is a Welsh, born to two Welsh parents. That is a fact. ‘Half’ would be what I am - parents from two different countries. I haven’t lived in one of those countries (Russia), but I am still half Russian.

The born-and-bred Welsh will consider him English, though.
And the Welsh-speakers will probably call him a 'Sais'.

23andme will tell you where the other people in its database who share most of your genes mostly live. It doesn't mean you can be "100% Welsh" or for that to have a meaning outside the cultural and identity one.

Tried to copy and paste the last paragraph of this but can't for some reason. So here's the whole article - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-accurate-are-online-dna-tests/

I was born in England to an Irish father and English mother (but her mother was also Irish). Then before I was 2 we moved to Wales. I identify as British first, acknowledge I am strictly speaking English; but feel truely to be Celtic because of both the Welsh and Irish influences.

Ultimately it is what he feels have been the biggest influence that helps determine it. If he grew up in a Welsh speaking household, learning about his Welsh heritage and regularly traveling there to see extended family, I would expect him to feel pretty strongly Welsh. Conversely, if he had a very English upbringing rooted in where he actually lived I'd expect him to feel quite English; maybe British so as to be able to acknowledge all parts of his heritage/ upbringing (as I do).

Well he's not half Welsh is he op 🤣 it doesn't work like that 🤣🤣

Why conflate not being English with disliking England?

He’s calling himself Welsh because he is Welsh. Being born and living in England doesn’t change this.

It's interesting. DD and I often have this conversation. I am Scottish, her Dad was English and she was born in Portugal. We now live in England.

We left Portugal when she was still in primary school. She isn't really sure what she is.

My grandmother was American to throw another spanner in the works although my Dad was born and brought up in Scotland with a Scottish father.

Even though I have lived out of Scotland for longer than I lived there I always consider myself Scottish and sound Scottish.

It' s quite fascinating really.

I need to know if you think the answer is English or Welsh.

Why?

The shrieking and concern trolling doesn't work on me. Attempting to define ethnicity out of existence doesn't make you a good person you know. And that's about as politely as I can put it.

Welsh as his both parents and Welsh. 100% not half Welsh.

Nationality?

He's a UK citizen.

That's intersting, because @Pollyputhekettleon uses the phrase differently. She uses it to mean something about genetics, not citizenship or culture. I'd be interested to hear her expand a little more

"You're overlooking the existence of genes, and biology, and ethnicity, and the entire field of population genetics. That's what he's talking about when he says he's Welsh. If he means Welsh by ethnicity, he's 100% correct. This is separate from both citizenship and culture."

British whether he was born in England or Wales makes no difference. British is the nationality. English or Welsh is national identity but not official.

Because they had a big fight because she told people he's half Welsh while he insists he's 100% Welsh. She wants to know who's right and who's wrong.

Colonialism has affected Welsh people, and clearly it still exists. I'm not saying it's exactly the same, but the way it's "remotely comparable" is that men who do that are not affected by sexism but think they can tell women it's not important. They of course contribute to sexism in the process.

Why on Earth would you not just go with the nationality he wants you to?

Is wanker a nationality?

@ForestryForever , he is English by birth, Welsh by parentage, and British nationality. He's not half anything

Most countries determine a child's nationality based on the parents' nationality. Only a minority of countries, such as the USA and Canada, grant people nationality based on where they were born, regardless the parents' nationality.

I may not have been clear enough. I'm not going to pretend to debate reality with anyone who quotes Rutherford. You can swear about me and my ever so dangerous ideas among yourselves to your heart's content. Fetch the smelling salts!