To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

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School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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It's important to realise that the trade deals such as CPTPP or India will not be in effect by the time of the next election. If there's any benefits to them, it will be in many years to come, not a few months.

And the insults begin. Any sign of those polls that turned out to be wrong yet @Lastchancechica?

And isn’t that the whole point. It was always going to take years to really see the benefits, for the nation to adjust moving from a satellite country of the EU to a fully governed government once again. It was always going to take time, and would have been much faster had so many misguided MPs not tried to block it all the way. We made it, unscathed, and now have a new chapter ahead of us x

You keep telling yourself that. The UK’s approach to signing trade deals is currently ‘where’s the dotted line, I’ll sign anything’ and every other country knows that.

Yes but it is very misleading to suggest that there would be immediate economic benefits. Maybe in ten years.

Vs an immediate market in the EU. That is hurting the UK. That deal needs to renegotiating urgently.

Incidentally it is important also not to get too delusional about deals with countries like India. These will neither be as comprehensive nor as flexible as a developed country. The idea these things could be done quickly is wrong.

What a silly post

Rees Mogg said 50 years. I’ll be long dead by then so will all the idiots who voted for it. Shame they weren’t upfront about that in 2016, isn’t it?

I don't recall the Brexiters telling us that it was going to take years for us to see the benefits. Who on earth would have voted for being told that they would be worse off for a few decades but don't worry, your grandchildren will see the benefits?

Oh no, it was all about the easiest trade deals in history and how much the German car makers needed us.

Far from being a satellite of the EU, we were party to the rules being made. Now we are becoming a satellite. UKCA mark scrapped in favour of retaining the CE mark - which we once had a say in negotiating but now have to take what is given.

I don’t know anyone that considered leaving the EU equates to ‘immediate’ economic prosperity!
I think that’s you thing.

The U.K.is now set to pivot to the East.

I don’t see any point in wasting any more time revising contracts with the EU. The future is a global one, we have much to feel excited about! 💃🏼

We don’t need the EU for anything (they even priced themselves out of the tourist market increasingly)

The future lies well beyond the vision, or lack of, that is always prevalent on these threads.

I don’t know anyone that considered leaving the EU equates to ‘immediate’ economic prosperity!

The £350 million for the NHS on the side of the bus was a mass hallucination then? I could have sworn Johnson babbled on about “sunlit uplands” a few times too.

This is a self evident fact.

And it's so humiliating.

But those who still supports Brexit now, despite the evidence are the ultimate in believing things that aren't true so they choose to believe something different and leave reality to the rest of us.

The U.K.is now set to pivot to the East.

With global warming being a reality, the idea of using air and sea miles to do most of your trade literally half way across the word is one of the Brexiters more stupid ideas. But then Gove, Johnson, Farage and Co probably don't realise that these places are thousands of miles away. After all Raab didn't know how much trade went through Dover, and yet on a clear day, you can see the French coast from there.

Raab didn’t even know where Dover is.

The thing about trade deals is that they have to be good to be used. The EU deal was very good. You would not find a better more comprehensive agreement.

We have swapped that for barriers to services and goods. Costly ones too with an immediate market.

Strategically looking towards the Asian Pacific rim is not a bad idea, but CPTPP is not anything like as good as the trade arrangements we had as an EU member either in economics or facilitation of trade.

Nobody has ever secured a comprehensive trade deal with India. The reason is that India do not believe in policy terms of free trade. The UK will have to swallow visa concessions and social security payments to get a partial deal. But again, the chances of this happening are slim. Trade is an area where there is a lot of puff in the press, but little delivery. India can make the UK wait.

I don't think it's that the Tories want to lose the next election but I do think they expect to.

They'd be fools to think they can give us massive debt, massive spending and crumbling infrastructure plus diminished services plus bigger mortgage payments and shit ok the beaches and expect to be given 5 more years.

@Peregrina - the other thing is the UK is a services economy. The most flexible and facultative services deal is....

The EU 27. Nothing better out there.

A lot of Brexit fantasies are about the UK moving goods and manufacturing. We will never compete with the majority of countries on that. While we can have specialized manufacturing this is a small element of our economy and there are no plans it seems to expand it.

Our tariffs on a WTO basis are already low. The UK is therefore not offering very much in terms of good based deals.

Country urgently needs a proper economic strategy. It does not have one

As a life long Tory voter I agree the current iteration is a total shit show. However, given the Tories did what most people wanted during Covid - furlough and lockdowns - which is where a huge part of that spend comes from, it's very rich for any Labour person to accuse them of squandering / plundering money.

UK CPTPP deal will boost GDP by 0.08% over 10 years.

Well woth the celebrations

Yes. Business has to use it. There is no guarantee that this will happen either. Trade deals do not mean money comes immediately. If the terms are not good people don't bother with using them.

A lot of the covid money was squandered. Largely into offshore accounts of Tory mates rather than doing anything useful. And we could have been paying it back as longer term loans which would have been better economically. But for reasons that I’m not sure of (mostly political or optics I suspect) we decided not to.

There’s always the option of getting the money back from the people we paid it to who didn’t fulfil their contractual obligations but for some reason we’re not that bothered.

Although I suspect most of those people are now busy setting up structural engineering and building companies.

Michelle Mone Constructions?

We made it, unscathed
Deluded.

How's that explanation of Labour's eye-watering woke agenda coming along?