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Police shoot pregnant woman dead (USA)

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SuddenlyOld · 02/09/2023 07:35

Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting?
She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either.
If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪
This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

Footage of police with guns drawn

Bodycam video shows Ohio police fatally shooting pregnant black woman

Ta'Kiya Young, 21, appears to advance the car towards an Ohio officer before a single shot is fired.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

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Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 02/09/2023 08:09

LindorDoubleChoc · 02/09/2023 07:59

Please understand, I am not in any way defending this or any other police shooting in the States but people, police and civilians, are thousands of times more likely to be shot in the states than in the UK just because of guns.

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Of course they are. The gun laws in the US are a vicious cycle. Everyone has a gun, so everyone needs a gun to feel safe, but the fact that everyone has a gun makes everyone fearful of being shot, so they have to use their guns to defend themselves just in case the other person has a gun and shoots them first.

obviously guns aren’t the problem though, the gun laws are fine and everyone’s safer with them. Anyway it their constitutional right as Americans to be able to defend themselves with guns. It’s what keeps everyone safe.

mental!

ZadocPDederick · 02/09/2023 08:09

Poppyblush · 02/09/2023 07:43

The woman was driving at the cop in a car ffs!!! She had been accused of stealing!! Why not just stop???

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How can that possibly justify shooting at her? Even if she had been shoplifting, it's hardly the crime of the century. The policeman clearly wasn't in any danger. All he had to do was get out of the way.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 02/09/2023 08:09

Poppyblush · 02/09/2023 07:50

But if police say stop, why not stop???

They were not saying stop. They were pointing a gun at her and aggressively demanding she get out of the car, repeatedly, from the off. I wouldn’t have wanted to get out either and I’m neither black or in America.

She had been accused of shoplifting. That’s it, that’s all. And she wasn’t even guilty of that. And yet they pull a gun in her before even engaging? If she has got out of the car, and continued to deny the offence (because she was innocent of it) do you honestly believe that this would have ended any differently. An aggressive man with his gun drawn from the off?

Why is it people like you immediately go to the - well why not just do as they say? Is it because you also, like the rest of us, can’t quite believe what you are seeing and you need to somehow make it make sense?

Megifer · 02/09/2023 08:10

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RandomMess · 02/09/2023 08:10

She asked why, and they never actually even answered her question.

Defence will include - I thought she had a firearm/she appeared to reach for a firearm.

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gillygeey · 02/09/2023 08:11

Of course they are. The gun laws in the US are a vicious cycle. Everyone has a gun, so everyone needs a gun to feel safe, but the fact that everyone has a gun makes everyone fearful of being shot, so they have to use their guns to defend themselves just in case the other person has a gun and shoots them first.

obviously guns aren’t the problem though, the gun laws are fine and everyone’s safer with them. Anyway it their constitutional right as Americans to be able to defend themselves with guns. It’s what keeps everyone safe.

this is exactly it.

Ginmonkeyagain · 02/09/2023 08:11

A few weeks ago I saw a woman in our local Sainsbury's in London being taken out of the store by police on suspicion of shoplifting. She was shouting and trying to kick and punch police and staff, but the police calmly handcuffed her and took her out.

It was horrible for everyone but the idea that she could have been shot dead for that in America for that is utterly chilling.

Police in the UK are by no means great (awful cases of misogyny and racism) but the gun culture in the USA just seems to spiral this stuff hideously out of control.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/09/2023 08:12

MadamWhiteleigh · 02/09/2023 07:58

It seems if you’re black in America, any interaction with the police may result in your death.

Logically however, doing what they ask should make that less likely outcome. But fear often overrides logic.

I think fear is also what causes these officers to draw guns when they don’t need to. They’re afraid of getting shot as well.

America, land of the free.

Idk if being compliant does help. Had she got out of the car, at the very least, they’d likely have slammed her to the floor, possibly injuring her baby. She was pregnant. Protecting her baby would have been her primary instinct.

Turtlegurl888 · 02/09/2023 08:12

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What was her crime then?
She wasn't endangering the lives of anyone around her. Must be something extremely heinous to be shot and killed. Please share.

Proudgypsy · 02/09/2023 08:12

ButtonSister · 02/09/2023 08:03

So are you saying she deserved to die?

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Absolutely not. I'm actually against guns but that's irrelevant.

I'm saying that the media have done this time and time again but every time it works so of course they'll continue. Look at the case of George Floyd where it was presented that he was an innocent black man killed because he was black.

I am certain that there are lots of details missing, as usual.

Lwrenagain · 02/09/2023 08:12

How devastating 💔 May she and her baby rest in peace and her family get justice. 💔

I saw something on Instagram last week, it was posted by a black woman saying essentially she was pulled over by cops and a car next to her with a black driver and passengers pulled over, just to make sure she was ok.
Never checked my white privilege quicker than that.
You know when some creepy bloke is bugging a wee lass on a bus, or similar, and as an older female we hover around etc to make sure lassie stays safe?

Imagine needing to hover around people your skin colour to ensure they're safe from the one agency that is supposed to serve and protect you.
Knocked me sick.

WinterWhiteWoes · 02/09/2023 08:13

This is heartbreaking. She must have been petrified.

How can this be justified?

I’m so glad I don’t live in the states!

Prescottdanni123 · 02/09/2023 08:14

Yes she should have got out of the car but he was already pointing a gun at her. For a black person especially, she must have been beyond frightened by that. Being stopped by the police at all if you are black must be terrifying in the US right now.

The gun culture alone is why I'll never live in America. If its not criminals and lunatics strolling about firing at will, it's their fucking police force.

Pumpernickles · 02/09/2023 08:15

Its like that song about the link between officers and overseers. Both free to kill you if they are in the mood, especially if you are black.

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 02/09/2023 08:15

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And being shot is a proportional punishment for shop lifting yeah?

by your logic we should be shooting every teenager who gets caught nicking stuff from primark. Ffs!!

missmollygreen · 02/09/2023 08:15

Put yourselves in the police mans shoes for a second.
You get called to a suspected shoplifter, you tell her to stop, but instead the car is put into drive and bumps into you. You have to make a split second decision about whether she is going to stamp on the throttle and run you over.
What do you do?

Ginmonkeyagain · 02/09/2023 08:15

I have no idea how I would react to a gun being pointed at me as it has never happened. I am not convinced I would act calmly or rationally.

Prescottdanni123 · 02/09/2023 08:16

@Proudgypsy

Whether George Floyd was innocent or not, he didn't deserve what happened to him. And the plod that did that too him was also the polar opposite of a little sweetheart.

DisquietintheRanks · 02/09/2023 08:16

AndThenItWas · 02/09/2023 07:52

You obviously have no idea what it is like to be a black person in America interacting with the police.
Do some research.

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Tbf you don't need to do much research to know that, as a black person, you don't need to be giving the police any excuse to shoot you.

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 02/09/2023 08:17

missmollygreen · 02/09/2023 08:15

Put yourselves in the police mans shoes for a second.
You get called to a suspected shoplifter, you tell her to stop, but instead the car is put into drive and bumps into you. You have to make a split second decision about whether she is going to stamp on the throttle and run you over.
What do you do?

Jump to the side and shoot the tyre. What you don’t do is shoot a pregnant woman who you don’t actually know has done anything wrong.

PuttingDownRoots · 02/09/2023 08:17

I could easily imagine, that if the handbrake/parking brake was off, and men with guns were shouting and you didn't know why, even before the race issue came into it... you could lose control of a car and it would jump forward a bit.

missmollygreen · 02/09/2023 08:17

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 02/09/2023 08:15

And being shot is a proportional punishment for shop lifting yeah?

by your logic we should be shooting every teenager who gets caught nicking stuff from primark. Ffs!!

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She wasnt shot because of the shop lifting, she was shot because the police thought she was going to run them over

Prescottdanni123 · 02/09/2023 08:18

@missmollygreen

Get out the way? Deal with the situation calmly from the start and not pull my gun out in the first place?

DisquietintheRanks · 02/09/2023 08:18

missmollygreen · 02/09/2023 08:15

Put yourselves in the police mans shoes for a second.
You get called to a suspected shoplifter, you tell her to stop, but instead the car is put into drive and bumps into you. You have to make a split second decision about whether she is going to stamp on the throttle and run you over.
What do you do?

That doesn't explain why his weapon was drawn in the first place though. I thought the lady was suspected of shoplifting, not armed robbery.

wherethewaterisdarker · 02/09/2023 08:18

This is horrifying and the racist apologists for this murder on this thread scare and disgust me.