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SuddenlyOld · 2023-09-02T06:35:28+00:00

Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting? She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either. If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪 This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408]]

Maggiethecat · 03/09/2023 16:49

there’s a chance that she would have been shot even if she did attempt to comply and exit the car.

picture her reaching for the handle to get out? Or would she have had to have both hands in the air or somesuch and allow the cops to open the door for her? would they have given clear instructions and would she have been able to follow them given her state of fear?
would the cops, whatever the circumstances, have been so fearful of what she might do to them, even if appearing to comply, that they would have shot her anyway to protect themselves?

ReginaRegina · 03/09/2023 16:52

there’s a chance that she would have been shot even if she did attempt to comply and exit the car.

I think it's very unlikely.

It's defo a better option than refusing to,comply and trying to drive through them.

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 16:58

I think it's very unlikely.

But you're not a woman in a high pressure situation with a gun staring at you point blank in a small town in the US.

What you think is "likely" doesn't really count for anything.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 16:59

@CallumDansTransitVan thank you for that. It's the most detailed video I've seen so far.

CallumDansTransitVan · 03/09/2023 17:18

I found a bit background on the girl.
https://eu.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/08/25/takiya-young-kiya-blendon-township-woman-killed-police-shooting-kroger-columbus-ohio-mother/70681554007/

I suspect the young lady was likely known to the Police and knew the likely outcome of not oberying an armed officer. I'd also be questioning why a 21 year old with two kids, one on the way who first became pregnant at around age 15, was driving around in a very new looking circa £53k car.

Who was Ta'Kiya Young? What we know about the 21-year-old killed in Blendon Twp. shooting

Here's what we know about Ta'Kiya Young, the 21-year-old killed after being shot by a Blendon Township police officer Thursday evening.

https://eu.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/08/25/takiya-young-kiya-blendon-township-woman-killed-police-shooting-kroger-columbus-ohio-mother/70681554007

Hellocatshome · 03/09/2023 17:22

CallumDansTransitVan · 03/09/2023 17:18

I found a bit background on the girl.
https://eu.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/08/25/takiya-young-kiya-blendon-township-woman-killed-police-shooting-kroger-columbus-ohio-mother/70681554007/

I suspect the young lady was likely known to the Police and knew the likely outcome of not oberying an armed officer. I'd also be questioning why a 21 year old with two kids, one on the way who first became pregnant at around age 15, was driving around in a very new looking circa £53k car.

To be fair why she had kids young, why she was raised by her grandmother not her mother, why her grandmother had a protective order out on her, why she was driving an expensive car are all completely irrelevant.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 03/09/2023 17:23

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/09/2023 14:03

It's not really surprising that some people panic when encountering the police given the number of threads that'll have you believing they'll shoot any POC on sight! It borders on irresponsible at times despite the existence of genuine issues

Exactly - and this is what I meant about the hyperbole really not helping

Fearful people are often not in a position to make the best decisions, so while acknowledging the issues which DO exist, why seek to make the threat sound so much worse than it is?

And yet a mother from America with actual, lived experience of this "hyperbole " you refer to has posted. Has told us how this "hyperbole " shapes their everyday life and how they do drills of what to if stopped by a police officer. How she prays for her children every day.

But yes, hyperbole.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 03/09/2023 17:25

HoldOnMiGenna · 03/09/2023 14:51

I'm fucking tired of Black people in the midst of criminality doubling down, acting a fucking fool when confronted by the police.....and then being used as examples of Police Gone Awry.
Pregnant, two kids at home and she had her backside in the streets on the Rob all over town with her compadres with no Plan B as to how it's gonna be if she gets hemmed up by the law, aside from run over their claat or die trying?
Nowhere in creation are police obligated to be polite to criminals. Politesse is not the expectation of criminals from the police, only defenders of criminals who are dead whilst mostly doing everything counterintuitive to staying alive when confronted by the law .
At no point in time did this lady think outside of the immediacy. She knew she stole, she knew that the police knew and she chose suicide by cop.
It's sad that her children are orphans and I hope that the chain of degeneracy is broken.
But I will not be manipulated into thinking that there would not have been a better outcome if she had copped to the fact that she was bang to rights, got out of the car and thus be arrested.
Driving at the law will guarantee slow singing and flowers bringing, even in the UK.
Ask Chris Kaba's family.
Advice to prospective criminals: please to value one's life more than a bottle of grog. Better still. If you have children and are/ or pregnant 'tan a yuh yard.
The discography and literature is long and strong to the reality that the Law, wherever it is, beats even the mastermind criminals, much less the dunce bats who seem incapable of thinking into next week.

WTF have I just read?!

HateTheView · 03/09/2023 17:25

Awful. She was probably terrified with guns pointing at her, especially as she knew she had done nothing wrong. Other options the police could have taken...

Shoot the tyres
Shoot her arm
Not get the guns out in the first place and speak to her like a person not guilty of a crime
Let her drive off but follow at a distance while checking her number plate details

Didn't have to shoot to kill did they?!

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 17:27

I suspect the young lady was likely known to the Police and knew the likely outcome of not oberying an armed officer. I'd also be questioning why a 21 year old with two kids, one on the way who first became pregnant at around age 15, was driving around in a very new looking circa £53k car.

Do you get the death sentence for that?

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 17:31

I suspect the young lady was likely known to the Police and knew the likely outcome of not oberying an armed officer.

What, dying? So she thought she'd be shot?

I'd also be questioning why a 21 year old with two kids, one on the way who first became pregnant at around age 15, was driving around in a very new looking circa £53k car.

Question away. Go off and you know, do actual investigating policeman.

This is actual arse. It doesn't justify anything that happened at all.

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 17:32

@CallumDansTransitVan

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 17:38

CallumDansTransitVan · 03/09/2023 17:18

I found a bit background on the girl.
https://eu.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/08/25/takiya-young-kiya-blendon-township-woman-killed-police-shooting-kroger-columbus-ohio-mother/70681554007/

I suspect the young lady was likely known to the Police and knew the likely outcome of not oberying an armed officer. I'd also be questioning why a 21 year old with two kids, one on the way who first became pregnant at around age 15, was driving around in a very new looking circa £53k car.

Let's not do that. Particularly since the officers are not named so we can't look into how squeaky clean they are or not.

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 17:42

You don't have to be "squeaky clean " not be gunned down by police in a supermarket car park tbh

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 17:45

If every person with a potentially chaotic background was dealt with like this after being suspected of shoplifting there would be blood on every shop forecourt.

nonheme · 03/09/2023 17:49

Ducksinthebath · 02/09/2023 07:50

Why not just stop? In a country where the police are notorious for shooting black citizens first, asking questions later; where they beat then to death on the streets for the heinous ‘crime’ of being black and out at night; where any interaction with law enforcement is immediately escalated to a life or death situation, no questions asked.

Gee, I wonder why someone would be incredibly nervous about stopping.

Because even those who stop are shot and killed. Do you not watch the news or are you just being intentionally obtuse?
It said she did nothing wrong. Why didn't they shoot the tyres or something else?

nonheme · 03/09/2023 17:53

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 17:27

I suspect the young lady was likely known to the Police and knew the likely outcome of not oberying an armed officer. I'd also be questioning why a 21 year old with two kids, one on the way who first became pregnant at around age 15, was driving around in a very new looking circa £53k car.

Do you get the death sentence for that?

Exactly this. So because she is black/ young she can't possibly afford 53K?

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 17:58

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 17:45

If every person with a potentially chaotic background was dealt with like this after being suspected of shoplifting there would be blood on every shop forecourt.

This is what people don't get. That by finding reasons and justification , oh she did that, she didn't do that, she did this before, she should've known etc they're legitimising and approving of the most vulnerable in society.

Because you know who else isn't necessarily squeaky clean and reacts in a perfect, logical way when confronted by the police? People(including children) suffering from disability and/or mental health issues, suffering from trauma, the homeless, addicts, illegals or trafficked , prostitutes and so on.

CallumDansTransitVan · 03/09/2023 18:11

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 17:31

I suspect the young lady was likely known to the Police and knew the likely outcome of not oberying an armed officer.

What, dying? So she thought she'd be shot?

I'd also be questioning why a 21 year old with two kids, one on the way who first became pregnant at around age 15, was driving around in a very new looking circa £53k car.

Question away. Go off and you know, do actual investigating policeman.

This is actual arse. It doesn't justify anything that happened at all.

It is entirely relevant for several reasons.

Having had previous contact with the Police she knew how she should behave in the situation she was in.
It is likely given the timeframe of the non contact breach there would be a warrant out for her. She would be aware of it and this more likely is the reason she didn't want to speak to them. I obviously don't know the legal system in america fully. But we may find she would of been held in jail until bail was posted prior to trial.
Any Policeman anywhere in the world would certainly have suspicions of somebody driving a car with no number plates that doesn't fit their profile, and by that I mean of lower income NOT black.

From the more complete video I posted earlier, it looks like she made an extremely stupid and dangerous choice, and paid for it with her life.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 03/09/2023 18:16

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 15:52

Skinthin
The worst she was accused of was shoplifting

Not exactly;
Police say the officers haven’t “waived their rights as victims” in this incident and are withholding their identities.
“When Ms. Young drove her car directly at Officer #1, striking him, Officer #1 became a victim of attempted vehicular assault,” police said in a news release.
“When Ms. Young pulled away from Officer #2 while his hand and part of his arm was still in the driver’s side window, Officer #2 became a victim of misdemeanor assault,”

cakeorwine
The original cop just went in full throttle.
Banging on the window - which is going to get someone panicked.

The first bang was more of a tap. When did she start the car engine? I can see why they might start banging if she started the engine.

Fireroselily
They could have easily ran her plates and made a home visit.

Blendon Township Police confirmed that the car didn't have any license plates.

Video cameras in the shop would have images of her. Americans should stand up and ban all guns.

CallumDansTransitVan · 03/09/2023 18:19

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 17:58

This is what people don't get. That by finding reasons and justification , oh she did that, she didn't do that, she did this before, she should've known etc they're legitimising and approving of the most vulnerable in society.

Because you know who else isn't necessarily squeaky clean and reacts in a perfect, logical way when confronted by the police? People(including children) suffering from disability and/or mental health issues, suffering from trauma, the homeless, addicts, illegals or trafficked , prostitutes and so on.

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There is a massive difference between behaving irrationally or running away from the police, and driving a 2 ton car directly at one. A car that will reach 30mph within roughly 4 seconds. With that knowledge in your head in a split second as it comes towards you, I think I'd of made a similar decision.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 03/09/2023 18:20

CallumDansTransitVan · 03/09/2023 18:11

It is entirely relevant for several reasons.

Having had previous contact with the Police she knew how she should behave in the situation she was in.
It is likely given the timeframe of the non contact breach there would be a warrant out for her. She would be aware of it and this more likely is the reason she didn't want to speak to them. I obviously don't know the legal system in america fully. But we may find she would of been held in jail until bail was posted prior to trial.
Any Policeman anywhere in the world would certainly have suspicions of somebody driving a car with no number plates that doesn't fit their profile, and by that I mean of lower income NOT black.

From the more complete video I posted earlier, it looks like she made an extremely stupid and dangerous choice, and paid for it with her life.

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A Black woman athlete from London was stopped for driving a nice car she had her husband beside her and baby in the back seat. Racism is there whether you choose to see it or not.

sunglassesonthetable · 03/09/2023 18:23

@CallumDansTransitVan
• Having had previous contact with the Police she knew how she should behave in the situation she was in.

So she thought she would be shot?

• It is likely given the timeframe of the non contact breach there would be a warrant out for her. She would be aware of it and this more likely is the reason she didn't want to speak to them. I obviously don't know the legal system in america fully. But we may find she would of been held in jail until bail was posted prior to trial.

Yes, Could be. Still nothing to justify them shooting her.

• Any Policeman anywhere in the world would certainly have suspicions of somebody driving a car with no number plates that doesn't fit their profile, and by that I mean of lower income NOT black.

Yes probably. And what has that got do with shooting her?

Do you get shot because you have a car with no plates and doesn't fit your "profile "?

And really Do you know she looked "lower income".? What pictures show that?

Did the police even know what she looked like?

From the more complete video I posted earlier, it looks like she made an extremely stupid and dangerous choice, and paid for it with her life.

From the video you posted it looks that police officer made an extremely stupid and dangerous choice that cost this 21 year old her life.

Qilin · 03/09/2023 18:24

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:03

cakeorwine
I guess it's an automatic car which I think just goes if you release the parking brake or put it into drive

I drive an automatic car - you have to start the engine first.

It's likely the car's engine was already on.
You certainly don't see her make a move to turn it in, which makes me thing it must have already been in when the police came across and banged on her window, shouting.

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 18:26

I do wonder what the thoughts of the other 2 people involved are.

We have the officer who went to the car at the start.
And the person who called the police over. They can be seen in the video near the police car.

Do you back your colleague up or do you think he over reacted?