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SuddenlyOld · 2023-09-02T06:35:28+00:00

Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting? She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either. If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪 This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408]]

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 15:57

Her first response is 'the other person stole' which she had some knowledge a crime had been commited

That's her response.

The question you asked was how long had he been standing there.
He went over to the car, banged on the window and says "Stop, Stop. Out of the car"

After saying "Out of the car" 5 times, she says "But why"

He then says "They said you stole stuff. Do not leave"

She said "I didn't steal shit, the other girls was taking it"

"Then get out"

"No, I'm not going to do that"

"Then get out"

"What, are you going to shoot me?" (Is this when the other officer drew his gun?"

"Get out of the car" (You can see his hand on the window inside the car)

The car starts to move catching the second officer

He fires his gun

The car then goes across the parking lot into the side of the mall.

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 16:00

The first bang was more of a tap. When did she start the car engine? I can see why they might start banging if she started the engine

You say tap. I say bang.

I can't tell if the engine was started or if it was already running. I guess it's an automatic car which I think just goes if you release the parking brake or put it into drive.

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:03

cakeorwine
I guess it's an automatic car which I think just goes if you release the parking brake or put it into drive

I drive an automatic car - you have to start the engine first.

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 16:06

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:03

cakeorwine
I guess it's an automatic car which I think just goes if you release the parking brake or put it into drive

I drive an automatic car - you have to start the engine first.

And if you read what I said, you will have read that I can't hear if the engine is running or not. Can you?

I was talking about how you drive off. If the engine is running, what do you need to do to drive off.

She was already in the car when the police approached her. Do you know if the engine was running or not? Do you know if she was about to move off when they approached her? I can't tell. Can you?

Skinthin · 03/09/2023 16:07

HoldOnMiGenna · 03/09/2023 14:51

I'm fucking tired of Black people in the midst of criminality doubling down, acting a fucking fool when confronted by the police.....and then being used as examples of Police Gone Awry.
Pregnant, two kids at home and she had her backside in the streets on the Rob all over town with her compadres with no Plan B as to how it's gonna be if she gets hemmed up by the law, aside from run over their claat or die trying?
Nowhere in creation are police obligated to be polite to criminals. Politesse is not the expectation of criminals from the police, only defenders of criminals who are dead whilst mostly doing everything counterintuitive to staying alive when confronted by the law .
At no point in time did this lady think outside of the immediacy. She knew she stole, she knew that the police knew and she chose suicide by cop.
It's sad that her children are orphans and I hope that the chain of degeneracy is broken.
But I will not be manipulated into thinking that there would not have been a better outcome if she had copped to the fact that she was bang to rights, got out of the car and thus be arrested.
Driving at the law will guarantee slow singing and flowers bringing, even in the UK.
Ask Chris Kaba's family.
Advice to prospective criminals: please to value one's life more than a bottle of grog. Better still. If you have children and are/ or pregnant 'tan a yuh yard.
The discography and literature is long and strong to the reality that the Law, wherever it is, beats even the mastermind criminals, much less the dunce bats who seem incapable of thinking into next week.

Oh. My. God. I was about to report this, and then saw the post below stating it shouldn’t be deleted as people should see what really gets posted on mumsnet.
this is truely one of the sickest things I have read on here 😢

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 16:10

When Ms. Young pulled away from Officer #2 while his hand and part of his arm was still in the driver’s side window, Officer #2 became a victim of misdemeanor assault,”

Except part oh his arm isn't in the window. Part of his hand is, with plenty of space for him to simply take his hand off . His hand is still on the window because he's trying to stop the car.

You can see there is no arm stuck. Just half a hand leaning on the window. So they're already bullshitting and lying. Why? If it's all justified and above board why lie?

Catusrusty · 03/09/2023 16:11

I think the problem is, that the police have to act aggressively in the US, because the person they are stopping could be armed to the teeth.

It's a vicious circle unfortunately. You wouldn't want to get out of the car with two armed aggressive men screaming and pointing a gun at you. If you don't get out, they become more aggressive and gung ho. The body cam footage of these types of incident are haunting, that lady must have been terrified.

The only way to stop incidents like this is for America to wise up and change the constitution with regards to gun ownership. there is absolutely nothing to stop amendments being made, their constitution is not set in stone.

Even here in the UK where police are not routinely armed police behaviour is questionable at best, heinous at worst. Only yesterday I read about a pensioner in Hebden Bridge having a visit from the West Yorkshire police to correct her thinking about Trans rights. She had a hate incident recorded against her for taking a photo. The police in the Uk really haven't had good press recently but thank God at least they don't usually carry a gun.

I have a friend in the USA and she is the only person on her street that doesn't own a gun. America really is a total mess.

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 16:14

Body Cams have made such a difference. As has the ability to film interactions.

Still with videos, people see what they want to see and put their own intepretations on them. People watching the same video can see / miss out on details if they are focused on certain things.

I guess people have seen the selective awareness videos.

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ReginaRegina · 03/09/2023 16:14

MadamWhiteleigh · 03/09/2023 14:36

It’s locked in a spiral. People are afraid of the police so they don’t cooperate with them. The police get aggressive because the person isn’t cooperating. Out come the guns and someone winds up dead. The next person who encounters the police is more afraid and so doesn’t cooperate. And on it goes..

It’s an endless cycle that somehow needs breaking but I don’t know how.

Yes, this is kind of what I meant.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 16:15

@CallumDansTransitVan

The Blendon Township department’s policy states: “An officer should only discharge a firearm at a moving vehicle or its occupants when the officer reasonably believes there are no other reasonable means available to avert the imminent threat of the vehicle, or if deadly force other than the vehicle is directed at the officer or others.”

Here it is. I posted it before but it didn't get much attention.

1.no other reasonable means to avert the vehicles. The officer put HIMSELF in front of the car . The car was moving incredibly slowly. He put his hands on the car. He leaned on the car. He steadied himself. He shot. At no point did he actually attempt to you know, move back or get out of the way.

2.deadly force other than the vehicle. There was no other weapon or threat.

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:15

cakeorwine
She was already in the car when the police approached her. Do you know if the engine was running or not?

No, I don't know - that's why I posted;
When did she start the car engine? I can see why they might start banging if she started the engine.

SerendipityJane · 03/09/2023 16:18

I have a friend in the USA and she is the only person on her street that doesn't own a gun.

When I visited a friend (UK exile) who had anti gun views, they were strongly advised by their US colleagues to keep their trap shut, and make a point of taking a course at the local range.

This was Louisiana.

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:20

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus
the car was moving incredibly slowly. He put his hands on the car. He leaned on the car. He steadied himself.

In the bodycam analysis I watched (Forbes media I think) the officer's feet were quite clearly lifted off the ground by the force of the car.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 16:21

@Clavinova no opinion on the fact the officer doesn't have his arm in the car window despite stating he does?

His arm is banging in the window and the other one is visible and free with half his hand ON the window not "trapped".

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 16:22

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:20

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus
the car was moving incredibly slowly. He put his hands on the car. He leaned on the car. He steadied himself.

In the bodycam analysis I watched (Forbes media I think) the officer's feet were quite clearly lifted off the ground by the force of the car.

Because he leaned on the car to steady himself and shoot.

ReginaRegina · 03/09/2023 16:23

Here's one article. I can't find a free link for the other one I'm afraid.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 16:24

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:20

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus
the car was moving incredibly slowly. He put his hands on the car. He leaned on the car. He steadied himself.

In the bodycam analysis I watched (Forbes media I think) the officer's feet were quite clearly lifted off the ground by the force of the car.

It looked slow to me and also his feet were lifted up.

However, it's not clear where he was when the shot was fired.
We haven't seen both bodycams as separate videos. Having a split screen would be the best way to see what happened.

I guess the jury will see that - if it goes to a jury.
And people will see what they want to see.

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:25

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus
Because he leaned on the car to steady himself and shoot

That wasn't the conclusion in the 'expert' analysis I watched.

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 16:27

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:25

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus
Because he leaned on the car to steady himself and shoot

That wasn't the conclusion in the 'expert' analysis I watched.

Depends on the point of view of the "expert"

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 16:35

I would have thought that having both feet in the air would make aiming and shooting a gun a bit difficult. Especially with a car moving towards you.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 16:35

ReginaRegina · 03/09/2023 16:23

Here's one article. I can't find a free link for the other one I'm afraid.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

Here's something more recent. With actual numbers.

www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 16:36

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 16:25

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus
Because he leaned on the car to steady himself and shoot

That wasn't the conclusion in the 'expert' analysis I watched.

What was his conclusion on the lack of the trapped arm as the other police officer claimed?

Skinthin · 03/09/2023 16:36

Clavinova · 03/09/2023 15:52

Skinthin
The worst she was accused of was shoplifting

Not exactly;
Police say the officers haven’t “waived their rights as victims” in this incident and are withholding their identities.
“When Ms. Young drove her car directly at Officer #1, striking him, Officer #1 became a victim of attempted vehicular assault,” police said in a news release.
“When Ms. Young pulled away from Officer #2 while his hand and part of his arm was still in the driver’s side window, Officer #2 became a victim of misdemeanor assault,”

cakeorwine
The original cop just went in full throttle.
Banging on the window - which is going to get someone panicked.

The first bang was more of a tap. When did she start the car engine? I can see why they might start banging if she started the engine.

Fireroselily
They could have easily ran her plates and made a home visit.

Blendon Township Police confirmed that the car didn't have any license plates.

I mean you can clearly see from the video that all of that is utter bollox.

She wasn’t even being aggressive (never mind she’s a lone , unarmed pregnant woman). At best she was trying to drive off. The cop to the side could have simply taken his hand off the window (it wasn’t through the window) and the one of front could have put his gun down and stepped aside. The vehicle wasn’t even moving quickly.

there is video footage and people have eyes
Stop apologising for this heinous crime

CallumDansTransitVan · 03/09/2023 16:43

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 16:15

@CallumDansTransitVan

The Blendon Township department’s policy states: “An officer should only discharge a firearm at a moving vehicle or its occupants when the officer reasonably believes there are no other reasonable means available to avert the imminent threat of the vehicle, or if deadly force other than the vehicle is directed at the officer or others.”

Here it is. I posted it before but it didn't get much attention.

1.no other reasonable means to avert the vehicles. The officer put HIMSELF in front of the car . The car was moving incredibly slowly. He put his hands on the car. He leaned on the car. He steadied himself. He shot. At no point did he actually attempt to you know, move back or get out of the way.

2.deadly force other than the vehicle. There was no other weapon or threat.

I think this video gives a far better view of what was going on from the officers viewpoint.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1394532001132471&ref=sharing

I read a couple of posts about was the engine running. The car appears to be a fairly new lexus I think ES mode (£46k-£60k car in uk with no license plates) so may well of been electric so no engine noise. To drive them for those who don't know. You shift the selecter between the front seats into drive and press the accelerator.

Body Camera Analysis by Retired Sheriff Russ Martin | Because Blendon Township Police Chief John Belford may be involved in a potential personnel action review involving Officer #1 (following the BCI... | By Blendon Township Police Department | Faceboo...

Because Blendon Township Police Chief John Belford may be involved in a potential personnel action review involving Officer #1 (following the BCI...

https://www.facebook.com/watch?ref=sharing&v=1394532001132471

cakeorwine · 03/09/2023 16:47

You can see it here. And you can slow it down to see where his hands were.

I guess the person by the police car is the person who was from the shop who asked the police to intervene.

The gun is pointing right at the windscreen.

Ohio: Body cam video shows police shooting pregnant woman sitting inside vehicle

The officer who fired his gun , as well as another officer at the scene, were both placed on administrative leave after the shooting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0iEqYw4bR4