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SuddenlyOld · 2023-09-02T06:35:28+00:00

Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting? She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either. If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪 This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408]]

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 02/09/2023 22:00

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 21:25

UpSafelyDownSoftly
Each time they go out with friends, to a ballgame, but especially when they travel alone back to college I pray.
We make sure their cars are in good working order. We fill gas tanks before they leave. We advise them not to stop for bathroom, water, or anything until they are back to school. And still I pray.
We practice “what if you are stopped by police” when we are all together. And still I pray.

Are you concerned about all the other people with guns? Surely there are more shootings, murders and assaults carried out by non-cops?

Yes, of course. This is why all the dc are cautioned not to stop while traveling. All attend college that is no more than 5 hours drive. Any who have more than that travel by plane.
I assure you that we can all protect ourselves in an emergency, though guns are a last resort. My younger 3 dgc together could take on an average adult male in hand to hand🫣. The 18 dgd could do it alone—sadly she’s done so.

Georgeandzippyzoo · 02/09/2023 22:00

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 02/09/2023 07:38

It horrifies me, it must be terrifying being black in the US, that poor man who was shot dead while out jogging as someone assumed he was running away from a crime, has always stuck with me.
Poor woman. I hope they get jail time.

I watched a programme that was discussing the topic of prejudice within USA police forces. They interviewed a black 30+ Yr old minister who was pulled over ( think he was in a nice car, late at night). He knew he hadn't done anything wrong but his initial thought was to do nothing that could be misinterpreted because he 'needed to get home safely to his wife and babies'. He didn't question them, he answered what they asked etc and they did allow him to drive on home.

Can you imagine that your first thought, when pulled by the police is that there's strong possibility you're gonna die! How terrifying!

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 22:00

cakeorwine

Stop worrying about me and stick to the theme of the thread.

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 02/09/2023 22:03

cakeorwine · 02/09/2023 21:34

Wow. On a thread that's not defending the Conservatives.

There are no doubt issues with non-cops.

But this thread is about the interactions with police in the USA.

And there are people in the USA who do practice how to interact with the police in the USA for that moment when they are pulled over.

Put your hands on the wheel. No sudden movements. Be polite.

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Yes this is what I meant by we practice what to do if stopped.

cakeorwine · 02/09/2023 22:06

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 22:00

cakeorwine

Stop worrying about me and stick to the theme of the thread.

Have you been hacked?
It doesn't sound like you

cakeorwine · 02/09/2023 22:08

Georgeandzippyzoo · 02/09/2023 22:00

I watched a programme that was discussing the topic of prejudice within USA police forces. They interviewed a black 30+ Yr old minister who was pulled over ( think he was in a nice car, late at night). He knew he hadn't done anything wrong but his initial thought was to do nothing that could be misinterpreted because he 'needed to get home safely to his wife and babies'. He didn't question them, he answered what they asked etc and they did allow him to drive on home.

Can you imagine that your first thought, when pulled by the police is that there's strong possibility you're gonna die! How terrifying!

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Absolutely.
There are a lot of videos on You Tube of "auditors" filming their interactions with the police in the USA. Especially when they've been pulled over.

People may know their rights but you still want to get home safely.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 02/09/2023 22:10

@saffronsoup oh and btw, they missed a few, just in 2022.Or at least you did with the filters.

Some cases of death by taser or in police custody , some where the suspect had fled, but wasn't fleeing at the time of shooting, some where a weapon was present but not used.

Basically with your filter it shows 3 deaths, there are about 5/6 more. Even more if you disregard the prejudiced "not fleeing".

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 22:18

UpSafelyDownSoftly
Yes, of course. This is why all the dc are cautioned not to stop while traveling.

Perhaps I misunderstood - I thought you were implying that your main concern for your family was interaction with the police - which seemed odd when there's a whole bunch of other people out there brandishing guns.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 02/09/2023 22:18

Oh and using the exact same filter, only one white person was shot in 2022. 1 compared to 3 black people.104 in total. Still 1% of victims, just like black people. How can that be when the black population is an odd 14% and the white is nearly 60% .

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 02/09/2023 22:25

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 02/09/2023 22:03

Yes this is what I meant by we practice what to do if stopped.

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But sometimes even that is not enough. For example, nephew was out with friends— all around 17. Mixed group as in girls/boys, black/white. Nephew driving with 3 others in car. White friend same in his car. Neighbor phones police as his mailbox has damage. Police come and pull nephew out of car and onto ground—no opportunity to put hands on wheel.
Luckily, chief of police lived next door (different jurisdiction) and has known nephew his whole life comes outside. DS is then allowed to show film of neighbor’s wife wrecking mailbox.
Should be a funny story but it could have ended much differently.

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 02/09/2023 22:35

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 22:18

UpSafelyDownSoftly
Yes, of course. This is why all the dc are cautioned not to stop while traveling.

Perhaps I misunderstood - I thought you were implying that your main concern for your family was interaction with the police - which seemed odd when there's a whole bunch of other people out there brandishing guns.

Yes you’ve misunderstood as the whole point of thread is police interaction🤷🏽‍♀️. What’s odd is the picture in your head of everyone running around brandishing guns. We don’t go to neighborhoods that are crime filled. Odd SHOULD be a group of lawful citizens being fearful of “interacting “ with the police, no?

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 02/09/2023 22:54

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 21:25

UpSafelyDownSoftly
Each time they go out with friends, to a ballgame, but especially when they travel alone back to college I pray.
We make sure their cars are in good working order. We fill gas tanks before they leave. We advise them not to stop for bathroom, water, or anything until they are back to school. And still I pray.
We practice “what if you are stopped by police” when we are all together. And still I pray.

Are you concerned about all the other people with guns? Surely there are more shootings, murders and assaults carried out by non-cops?

Well we are pretty decent people who live in great neighborhoods so no, we don’t tend to meet up with rampant murderers and such. The most we have to fear would be an idiot public mass shooter…and the police.

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 02/09/2023 23:07

saffronsoup · 02/09/2023 21:30

It is more about creating a more balanced view to quell some of the fear. It is kind of like stranger danger or plane crashes. They happen but not to he degree that people think they do. People's perception of police killing of unarmed, complying people doesn't match in any way the actual facts. What gets played on the news over and over skews the perception people have of an issue. People then have a great deal of fear and anxiety based on a skewed perspective rather than the reality of a situation. They can't appropriately assess risk when their view of risk has been altered by media portrayal and by frequency bias.

There are 47 million black Americans. There have been 68 black Americans killed by police in the last 9 years who were unarmed and not fleeing police (law abiding citizens). However if you were to ask many people about their view of the risk, it would be magnified thousands of times more than the reality (.00000014%). Even the absolute number. If you asked how many law abiding (unarmed and not fleeing) black Americans are killed annually by police, would they have an accurate perception that it is less than 10 a year and less than 5 most years? Showing a broader picture allows people to have a more accurate perception of risk and it can lessen fear and anxiety.

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But isn’t 1 too many? Especially if it is your DPerson?
I understand what you mean though about the skewed version the media likes to play out. And how they love to display black people running around looting. They don’t show the peaceful protests or the random acts of police kindness. But that’s because they like the drama of it all.
I’ve often thought the media should be charged with inciting riots.

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 23:13

UpSafelyDownSoftly
Yes you’ve misunderstood as the whole point of thread is police interaction

What was your post at 21:07 all about then? Perhaps I didn't misunderstand you at all.

What’s odd is the picture in your head of everyone running around brandishing guns

You are the one who painted a picture of living in fear (at 21:07).

DS is then allowed to show film of neighbor’s wife wrecking mailbox
Should be a funny story

To be honest the story doesn't make much sense and doesn't seem very believable. And why was your ds (your nephew?) filming his neighbour's wife?

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 23:15

UpSafelyDownSoftly
The most we have to fear would be an idiot public mass shooter…and the police

I didn't misunderstand you the first time.
Defund the police?

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 03/09/2023 03:00

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 23:13

UpSafelyDownSoftly
Yes you’ve misunderstood as the whole point of thread is police interaction

What was your post at 21:07 all about then? Perhaps I didn't misunderstand you at all.

What’s odd is the picture in your head of everyone running around brandishing guns

You are the one who painted a picture of living in fear (at 21:07).

DS is then allowed to show film of neighbor’s wife wrecking mailbox
Should be a funny story

To be honest the story doesn't make much sense and doesn't seem very believable. And why was your ds (your nephew?) filming his neighbour's wife?

No sorry that should be DSis I guess. Nephew’s mother and it was their security camera.

Your beliefs are your business. And that is part of the problem. You’d really like to believe most of what happens isn’t true or it must be our fault. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 03/09/2023 03:03

Clavinova · 02/09/2023 23:15

UpSafelyDownSoftly
The most we have to fear would be an idiot public mass shooter…and the police

I didn't misunderstand you the first time.
Defund the police?

No I don’t believe that’s the answer.

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 03/09/2023 03:17

UpSafelyDownSoftly · 03/09/2023 03:00

No sorry that should be DSis I guess. Nephew’s mother and it was their security camera.

Your beliefs are your business. And that is part of the problem. You’d really like to believe most of what happens isn’t true or it must be our fault. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

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I’ve not gone back to look at all of your time stamps. All I can do is tell you. We don’t live in fear of random acts of violence as we’re not in high crime areas. We are cautious of mass shooters and the police. These are the two things most likely to affect my family.

ReginaRegina · 03/09/2023 03:59

Oysterbabe · 02/09/2023 07:50

It was insane of her to drive towards an armed officer in America but she paid too high a price.

Agreed.

They were massively overkill but it's extremely unlikely they'd have shot her if she hasn't refused arrest.

HRTQueen · 03/09/2023 04:29

Extremely unlikely isn’t good enough the answer should be the police officers would not have shot her but we know this isn’t a true statement

we know the police have shot black men and women in the US for well nothing. how is this meant to make people feel safe when they have an aggressive police officer pointing a gun at them

WiddlinDiddlin · 03/09/2023 05:59

Nah, 'extremely unlikely' would not be good enough for me if I were of a demographic that has previously been thrown on the ground, sat on, choked, shot for moving to undo a seatbelt or get out a wallet/drivers licence, even for opening the fucking front door or being asleep in their own apartment.

No fucking way.

I would certainly, in a moment of panic, feel safer in my car than out of it.

I watched the video three times, the car rolls slowly, she does not aim the car at anyone, she does not floor it, she is not using the car as a weapon, she is trying to flee aggressive men with guns.

They absolutely were in zero danger and could have just stepped away, they had her licence plate, they could find her at her home address, and even if she HAD been shoplifting, that does not make her a danger to others, does not mean she needed to be stopped there and then for the safety of others.

US police have a huge issue with racism.

They also have horrible training - their de-escalation skills are frankly the fucking opposite.

Their screening for suitable applicants is in some places, none existant - want to be a cop, carry a gun, yell at people and order them around and get a kick from the power, go ahead heres a badge!

Their communication skills are also poor between officers (which is why a good friend of mine has lifelong scarring to their leg as a result of a dog handler Not Fucking Listening).

And in many places they're given responsibility way way outside of a sensible police remit.

Yes, defund the police.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 08:43

The Blendon Township department’s policy states: “An officer should only discharge a firearm at a moving vehicle or its occupants when the officer reasonably believes there are no other reasonable means available to avert the imminent threat of the vehicle, or if deadly force other than the vehicle is directed at the officer or others.”

Just saying.

ReginaRegina · 03/09/2023 12:12

HRTQueen · 03/09/2023 04:29

Extremely unlikely isn’t good enough the answer should be the police officers would not have shot her but we know this isn’t a true statement

we know the police have shot black men and women in the US for well nothing. how is this meant to make people feel safe when they have an aggressive police officer pointing a gun at them

When he points the gun at you it's best not to do anything that might be construed as aggression/escalation. Like driving a vehicle at him. I'm sorry but this is just common sense.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 12:18

@ReginaRegina by the department's own policy, the cop's actions from standing in front of the car,to drawing his weapon, to shooting were all wrong.

ReginaRegina · 03/09/2023 12:19

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 12:18

@ReginaRegina by the department's own policy, the cop's actions from standing in front of the car,to drawing his weapon, to shooting were all wrong.

Yes, but resisting arrest generally doesn't tend to help de-escalate things.