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Police shoot pregnant woman dead (USA)

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SuddenlyOld · 02/09/2023 07:35

Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting?
She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either.
If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪
This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

Footage of police with guns drawn

Bodycam video shows Ohio police fatally shooting pregnant black woman

Ta'Kiya Young, 21, appears to advance the car towards an Ohio officer before a single shot is fired.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

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StefanosHill · 02/09/2023 13:17

AcesBaseballbat · 02/09/2023 12:59

This is the single most racist forum I've ever seen in my entire life. It's insane how much racism there is. Some posters are literally just straight up, unashamed white supremacists and don't even hide it, and MN do nothing except delete only the most overt racist posts without looking at posting patterns so it's easy for those posters to drip racist poison and not get banned as long as they restrain themselves from actively using the N word.

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Which forums are you comparing to?

The internet in general can be pretty bad, but I don’t use other forums

Saoirse82 · 02/09/2023 13:18

saffronsoup · 02/09/2023 10:55

Race factors in in many ways. If this was a white Trump supporting man in the car refusing to comply with a black officer and then driving into him / her and lifting them off the ground while fleeing - it would also be a different thread.

Well I'd believe a white Trump supporter would deliberately drive into a black man because he thinks he's a superior being and wouldn't tolerate being humiliated in any way by a POC.

This situation isn't comparable.

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 13:18

A feminist parallel would be a women who says has been raped is told she wasn't raped as she takes drugs/hangs out with gangs/ has committed crimes. One has nothing to do with the other.

Depressingly though many in society would think they are correlated. And the victim could have it used against her in a trial.

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 13:21

@sunglassesonthetable I don't think anyone is under the impression US police have loads of training. Is there any momentum to change this though?

Frequency · 02/09/2023 13:22

Whether the police knew the young woman's background and issues with her grandparents is irrelevant. She was not a threat at the time of the shooting, that is all that matters.

It could be argued that knowing her background makes the situation all the worse. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense knows that rushing at a possibly volatile person while barking orders at them is not going to have a good outcome.

Had these officers approached her calmly and spoken to her when she wound down her window none the situation would never have escalated to the point that she attempted to drive away.

She wasn't reported to have been armed or threatening. There was no need for them to approach her the way they did and looking at past incidents and stats the only reason they did approach her aggressively was because of the colour of her skin.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 02/09/2023 13:24

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/09/2023 13:03

The idea that every black woman who walks out her door is a walking target for police is just not supported by the data

You're quite right it's not - but unfortunately it's supported by the hysteria some like to whip up, suggesting that every last person of colour quakes in fear at the very sight of the police

Strange, too, that we seldom hear the same reaction when it's a black cop who kills someone, not even when five are charged as in the case of Tyre Nichols

Once again, no one has said that every black person fears for their life. Just that is understandable if they do, and the stats back that up. A majority of black people(a lot more than whites) have no confidence in the police, have lost trust and yes , they fear them/fear police violence.

Black (63%) fear of police violence is greater than white (21%) fear.

63% of Black Americans worried about police using deadly force on
them or a family member

Most black Americans regard the deaths of African-Americans during encounters with the police not as isolated incidents; more than three in four (78%) black respondents say they are signs of a broader police problem.

Palomabalom · 02/09/2023 13:27

This is utterly horrific. I am just so stunned and angry that this has happened. What the hell were those police thinking? They were so aggressive towards her. Pointing guns in her face and shouting like she was a wanted criminal.

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 13:27

I don't think anyone is under the impression US police have loads of training. Is there any momentum to change this though?

Well, saying I "seemed certain UK Police force would do better " seems like you might have been not have been aware. 🤔 tbh.

Police in this country ARE trained to deal with situations without guns. How do we know? They generally don't carry them.

And do they fuck up aswell. Yep of course they do.

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 13:28

@gillygeey

MinnieTruck · 02/09/2023 13:28

And anyway how many women on here have said that after Sarah Everard they would no longer get out of a car if told to by the police. Should they all be shot too?

Exactly this. Why do the police shoot to kill and not shoot a tire or shoot to injure if they really believe they have reason to shoot? I’m a black woman and I’d never visit America. You couldn’t even pay me to live there. You step out for shopping now you and your unborn child are dead? How?! Disgusting

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 13:29

I think there is about as momentum for change as there is for gun control. @gillygeey
very polarised.

financialcareerstuff · 02/09/2023 13:30

SapphosRock · 02/09/2023 07:59

I knew before I opened the thread the woman would be black.

No pregnant, white woman in the US would be shot by the police

Horrifically racist and violent place.

YANBU.

This. Absolutely horrific

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 13:30

as much

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 13:31

@sunglassesonthetable you've lost me. The police here don't carry guns as standard, I think it would be very different if citizens carried guns, don't you?

Police here who do suspect someone of carrying a gun do shoot to kill as opposed to shooting a tyre or leg which was my point.

roundtable · 02/09/2023 13:31

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 13:18

A feminist parallel would be a women who says has been raped is told she wasn't raped as she takes drugs/hangs out with gangs/ has committed crimes. One has nothing to do with the other.

Depressingly though many in society would think they are correlated. And the victim could have it used against her in a trial.

And that's why I used it as a parallel. People are taking that she may not have been an angel on a separate occasion to this and so that makes shooting her in the head justifiable. The two are not related.

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 13:32

I agree they are not related but my point was it doesn't matter to many others.

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 13:33

you've lost me. The police here don't carry guns as standard, I think it would be very different if citizens carried guns, don't you?

And you've lost me tbh.

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 13:34

I reckon that happens to you a lot 😆

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 13:37

And that's why I used it as a parallel. People are taking that she may not have been an angel on a separate occasion to this and so that makes shooting her in the head justifiable. The two are not related.

This. This

EnoughIsay · 02/09/2023 13:39

Oysterbabe · 02/09/2023 07:50

It was insane of her to drive towards an armed officer in America but she paid too high a price.

Get out of the car to police with weapons drawn?

If she got out of the car they more than likely would have thrown her on the ground, hand cuffed her behind her back on the ground, maybe kneeled on her back for good measure.

She would be thinking of the pregnancy I think?

She had no good answer here of what to do.

They on the other hand had lots of different ways to handle this - the least good one was surround the car, draw weapons, have them locked, loaded and ready to fire and point them at her, sitting in the front seat of a car.

Devastating.

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 13:40

I reckon that happens to you a lot 😆

Wow! You're not arrogant.

There I was thinking it was a bit of miscommunication and all. Couldn't possibly be @gillygeey.

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 13:43

Oysterbabe
It was insane of her to drive towards an armed officer in America but she paid too high a price.

Perhaps just panicked and shit scared, you know, like most people being shouted at with a point blank gun in their face.

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2023 13:45

Seems there are some amongst us who took "Mississippi Burning" to be a recruitment drive.

endofthelinefinally · 02/09/2023 13:46

"It's thread like these though where I wish racist comments weren't deleted as hard to find proof for all the posters who demand evidence of racism on mn. Or if they are going to delete them then say - message deleted for racist comment.

That could apply to all isms really. Message deleted for ageist/ableist/sexist etc comment."

That is a good idea.

Boomboom22 · 02/09/2023 13:46

saffronsoup · 02/09/2023 12:18

I think the officer's criminal culpability will be greater reduced due to her driving into him. It is hard to argue there was no threat (in that moment) given she was using her car as a weapon to cause bodily harm.

Now the fact they got to that moment could be argued as the root of the issue but what will be determined in court will be if his life was in danger at the moment he fired and a court will likely determine that yes it was given she had just hit him with her car. That action also creates a further public risk if she then flees and hits others with her car. His shot will be seen as the action that stopped her from running him or potentially others over.

Very sadly I agree. I don't think there will be much uproar in the US about this, it is not the same as George f who was complying, I think the argument will be she was driving at him. Of course if a white person did that the interpretation would be very different, unless underclass / trailer trash in which case the same. Many states are very racist.

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