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Police shoot pregnant woman dead (USA)

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SuddenlyOld · 02/09/2023 07:35

Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting?
She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either.
If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪
This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

Footage of police with guns drawn

Bodycam video shows Ohio police fatally shooting pregnant black woman

Ta'Kiya Young, 21, appears to advance the car towards an Ohio officer before a single shot is fired.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 10:07

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 02/09/2023 10:06

Strange that Ohio police officer were able to arrest Chad Doerman alive, you know that armed white man who had just hunted down and executed his 3 children in cold blood, but couldn't arrest a 21 year old pregnant woman accused of shoplifting.

exactly.

Tiredalwaystired · 02/09/2023 10:07

missmollygreen · 02/09/2023 08:15

Put yourselves in the police mans shoes for a second.
You get called to a suspected shoplifter, you tell her to stop, but instead the car is put into drive and bumps into you. You have to make a split second decision about whether she is going to stamp on the throttle and run you over.
What do you do?

Shoot the tyres?

Blinky21 · 02/09/2023 10:08

it's totally understandable why a black person wouldn't get out of their car for police in the US. I wouldn't stop for police as a white person in the UK.

IClaudine · 02/09/2023 10:08

Tiredalwaystired · 02/09/2023 10:07

Shoot the tyres?

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Exactly what I was going to say.

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/09/2023 10:08

Proudgypsy · Today 07:57
She was not an 'innocent woman' but as usual the media has their own story to tell and agenda to push.”

Oh, well in that case fine to murder her and her baby.

DisquietintheRanks · 02/09/2023 10:08

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 10:04

In the UK the police apprehend people every day without having a gun, let alone drawing and shooting one

And you genuinely don't think it would be different if the general public carried handguns?

Did the woman in question have a hand gun? Even in the US it is not typical for officers to draw and point their weapon when arresting people. Except strangely when they're black

AnythingILike · 02/09/2023 10:08

Poppyblush · 02/09/2023 07:43

The woman was driving at the cop in a car ffs!!! She had been accused of stealing!! Why not just stop???

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Because she's a young, frightened black woman watching cops pulling out guns at her for - from her point if view - absolutely no reason.

She was frightened and panicked - doesn't deserve the death penalty now does it?

fettuccini · 02/09/2023 10:10

missmollygreen · 02/09/2023 08:15

Put yourselves in the police mans shoes for a second.
You get called to a suspected shoplifter, you tell her to stop, but instead the car is put into drive and bumps into you. You have to make a split second decision about whether she is going to stamp on the throttle and run you over.
What do you do?

Erm I don't know...get out of the way? Don't shout aggressively at her and not explain the situation properly. fucking shoot the girl and her unborn baby dead! It's really not that hard to fathom surely?...

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 10:10

@DisquietintheRanks I'm not sure what the point of your post is? My point was if the UK had a gun culture like the US I believe a lot more people would be shot by police. You can disagree.

Stressedafff · 02/09/2023 10:12

They set out to intimidate right from the off, there’s absolutely no need for them to be so aggressive over fucking shoplifting
These coppers manage to apprehend utter scumbags who shoot schools up without firing at them so there really is no excuse

saffronsoup · 02/09/2023 10:12

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 02/09/2023 09:56

  1. It's not exceptionally rare in America for compliant people to be executed by the police if they're black.

  2. She didn't "drive at" the police officer. If you watch the videos properly the officer is standing towards the left of the vehicle and the wheels are point to the right, the care moves about 12-15 inches before she was murdered. Even if she had been driving off she was not driving at the officer.

  3. The onus should 100% be on the police officer to move out the way. Anything else just stupid. If a 1-2t lump of metal is moving towards you, you get out of the way. Standing in front of it and murdering the person in control of it will only increase your chance of being hit.

  4. Police are not judges or jury's or executioners (despite what most of them seem to think). They do not have the training, and in most cases the intelligence, to decide on someone's innocence or guilt on the spot. Their job is to apprehended not murder.

  5. Shoplifting is not a capital crime, failure to comply is not a capital crime, even injuring a police officer is not a capital crime. Under no circumstances in this situation should the innocent (and she was innocent until proven otherwise) woman have been executed.

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It is exceptionally rare for a black compliant person to be gunned down by police in America. There are databases and statistics that back this up. It is exceptionally rare for any compliant person to be gunned down by police.

Pretty much every case where this happens - makes global news. Because it is exceptionally rare.

As per the Washington Post that tracks all police fatalities.... Unarmed, compliant (not fleeing) victims were less than 1% of all fatalities and unarmed compliant white men were slightly more likely to be killed than unarmed compliant black men.

grmsk · 02/09/2023 10:13

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MrsSkylerWhite · 02/09/2023 10:13

missmollygreen · Today 08:15

Put yourselves in the police mans shoes for a second.
You get called to a suspected shoplifter, you tell her to stop, but instead the car is put into drive and bumps into you. You have to make a split second decision about whether she is going to stamp on the throttle and run you over.
What do you do?”

Shoot a tyre.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 10:14

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Lies. She did not drive dangerously at all. Even if she had, execution isn't the punishment for that or shoplifting.

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 10:14

Shoot a tyre.

It's completely unrealistic to think in these situations the police are going to shoot a tyre or an arm. It's just not going to happen.

Frequency · 02/09/2023 10:15

loislovesstewie · 02/09/2023 09:50

If she did nothing then comply. I don't know whether she is innocent or not. BUT not complying won't end well. And if the law says she can be arrested then that is what happens.

Non-compliance is not a reason to shoot someone dead. The only excuse for killing another human being should be an immediate danger to life. No-one was in any danger.

She was in a car with identifiable number plates. If they really could not get her to comply without killing her they should have let her go and asked someone more experienced to follow it up later in the day.

Even if she wasn't able to be identified and followed up with later she was accused of shoplifting. Whatever she allegedly stole was not more valuable than her life. They should have let her go and filed a report with her description, etc., in case she was caught later.

Teder · 02/09/2023 10:16

Some MNers are so fucking predictable. I knew this poor woman would be black from reading the title but I also knew some racist muppets would be falling over themselves to act like she deserved it or it’s nothing to do with her skin colour.

I don’t live in the US but I’d be curious if there are any black or other ethnic minority people on here who have their own opinions about the police and how they feel. I am an ethnic minority in the U.K. and I know I am more anxious than my white friends around police and they aren’t even armed!

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gillygeey · 02/09/2023 10:17

She very likely panicked as opposed to didn't comply. In turn the police panic & then you throw guns into the mix & it's a disaster. In an ideal world it wouldn't happen but human nature gets in the way.

But the idea that the police should have shot the tyre or jumped out of the way, let her drive off & called it in later is completely unrealistic.

IClaudine · 02/09/2023 10:18

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 10:14

Shoot a tyre.

It's completely unrealistic to think in these situations the police are going to shoot a tyre or an arm. It's just not going to happen.

What, so the only option is execution? How ridiculous. The other option was to allow her to drive off, then deal with the issue via a home vist or what ever.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 10:18

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She did NOT drive at him! She was NOT being arrested. She was suspected of shoplifting and their response was disproportionate, to say the least.

Teder · 02/09/2023 10:18

saffronsoup · 02/09/2023 10:12

It is exceptionally rare for a black compliant person to be gunned down by police in America. There are databases and statistics that back this up. It is exceptionally rare for any compliant person to be gunned down by police.

Pretty much every case where this happens - makes global news. Because it is exceptionally rare.

As per the Washington Post that tracks all police fatalities.... Unarmed, compliant (not fleeing) victims were less than 1% of all fatalities and unarmed compliant white men were slightly more likely to be killed than unarmed compliant black men.

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Did you see this statistic posted?

From the office of Statistics from Aug 1, 2023 "The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and July 2023 stood at 5.8 per million of the population per year, while for White Americans, the rate stood at 2.3 fatal police shootings per million of the population per year."

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 10:19

IClaudine · 02/09/2023 10:18

What, so the only option is execution? How ridiculous. The other option was to allow her to drive off, then deal with the issue via a home vist or what ever.

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Exactly! This is what would happen here in the UK. Just disgusting how many people think this is ok.

IClaudine · 02/09/2023 10:19

But the idea that the police should have shot the tyre or jumped out of the way, let her drive off & called it in later is completely unrealistic

Why unrealistic? What terrible thing would have happened?

Stressedafff · 02/09/2023 10:19

How are these pigs even being defended?
If someone drives their car at you move out the way, she had plates on her car, is arresting a shoplifter that important? More important than the lives of 2 people?

If a civilian was pointing a gun at you shouting get out of the car I’m pretty sure fight or flight would kick in. These police don’t even treat the majority of black people like human beings. Stop adding to the problem and defending their behaviour