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to tell you reviewing your GCSE paper isn't "free"

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BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 17:45

I've never begrudged putting aside a few hours for genuine disappointing shock grades, or when a student has so nearly made the grade they need for their next stage.

But this year it has gone totally over the top.

And recalling GCSE papers for the school to review is NOT "free" - it just doesn't cost the parent anything, that is all. It relies either on teachers volunteering their spare time, or the school employing an additional, qualified person to do it.

I spent 25-30 hours in the last week of the holiday doing this, and now have a whole new list to somehow try and cram in to a single weekend

My head of department has already contacted some parents to say no, we are not doing it for such and such a student, and honestly, you would think we were chopping their kids hands off, or something, the abuse, and threats and accusations we get!

Some of the students we have said no to have already got their sixth form places, and don't need to check their grades, some are so far from the next grade up that they are many times more likely to go down than up, and some have got exactly what was predicted, anyway.

Occasionally a grade goes up, but it is very rare, and in genuine cases, I am happy to spend the time checking. Most of the cases we are getting requested now though, are not genuine! None of the papers I have checked this year are going up, although several might actual go down if the parents take it further.

So please, before expecting this service for the school, keep in mind

a) Is it necessary? Not if your child has got their sixth form place or apprenticeship, or whatever they wanted.

b) Is it likely? Parents often over estimate their children's likely GCSE grades, particularly if they have helped them revise, and marked a few mock papers, etc- children perform best in a one to one situation with a lot of encouragement, such as they might get at home with a parent, but this is not how they are assessed.

c) Somebody has to be just below the next grade boundary! That is how grade boundaries work!

d) Some grade bands are very narrow - being 3 marks off a 6 could actually be 2 marks from a 4.

e) It isn't a case of " just finding one more mark" - the marking has to be withing a tolerance. 2 examiners might mark the same paper differently, but that does not mean one is right and one is wrong. Yes, I find marks in the papers that I would have given that the examiner has not, but I also find marks the examiner has given that I would not, and overall, the mark comes out the same, or virtually the same. The grade is not going to be changed over a disagreement about fractions of marks. It needs to be a substantial difference for the grade to be changed, and not a case of strict or lenient marking.

Yes, it is sometimes worth having a look at the papers, no it is not worth this wholesale demand that has developed this year.

If this school review system continues to be abused, I expect it will be withdrawn very soon!

OP posts:
LimeTreeGrove · 01/09/2023 22:11

uneffingbelievable · 01/09/2023 21:57

This year has been a little wild west - thankfully my DC did better than he would if teacher assisted grades -so no re-marks from me!

However, someone has to explain how 75+% in one subject can get you a 7/8 but in another subject get you a 5 - that is bonkers as has happened in drama across the country and I know the school is looking into it. DC has lost out on his chosen A level on this basis as he needed a 7- luckily taking a philosophical view on it but still rankles him.

I think how it works with grade boundaries is that a certain percentage of the candidates get each grade. So, say 3% get 9. If they set grade 9 at a certain percentage and then 25% of kids achieved that grade it would devalue a 9.
That's my understanding but I'm not a teacher and I might be wrong!

Countdown2023 · 01/09/2023 22:12

At my school if they want a paper to be re-marked because they are 2 or 3 marks off then we let them apply for a re-mark. I don’t waste my time trawling through papers on the off-chance.

otherwise it will be a significant amount of papers to review - 2 papers for each GCSE and 3 papers for each A Level!

Stopthatknocking · 01/09/2023 22:13

How does everyone know their dc are ' 1 mark from the next grade' or 'only 3 makes off a 9?'
We just got told grades for our dc, no marks.

LimeTreeGrove · 01/09/2023 22:13

Countdown2023 · 01/09/2023 22:12

At my school if they want a paper to be re-marked because they are 2 or 3 marks off then we let them apply for a re-mark. I don’t waste my time trawling through papers on the off-chance.

otherwise it will be a significant amount of papers to review - 2 papers for each GCSE and 3 papers for each A Level!

That seems fair enough.

surreygirl1987 · 01/09/2023 22:14

However, someone has to explain how 75+% in one subject can get you a 7/8 but in another subject get you a 5 - that is bonkers as has happened in drama across the country and I know the school is looking into it.

The school shouldn't be surprised - this is entirely normal... and not just between subjects but also WITHIN subjects for different exam boards. Grade boundaries get shifted annually depending on how easy or hard an exam series is deemed to be (based on marks awarded), to ensure a spread of grades.

mrsconradfisher · 01/09/2023 22:18

Stopthatknocking · 01/09/2023 22:13

How does everyone know their dc are ' 1 mark from the next grade' or 'only 3 makes off a 9?'
We just got told grades for our dc, no marks.

It’s ok the slip that they get with the results. Then all you need to do is look at the grade boundaries.

Stopthatknocking · 01/09/2023 22:20

I really don't remember that! Gcse were in 2019 and a levels in 2021.
My memory must be rubbish

noblegiraffe · 01/09/2023 22:21

twelly · 01/09/2023 22:11

What you are saying is factually incorrect as there was apparently a different between ordering a photocopied script and the real scripts!
Clearly there is a difference in what teachers regard to be part of their role - which is the same for all jobs, different schools clearly have different expectations and procedures. It is a question of professionalism in my view.

No, my mistake, it was GCSE where you could either get the script or the remark. So they could only do it for A-level, and only for GCSE in recent years.

While looking it up, I came across my post from 2018 where I warned against this happening!

to tell you reviewing your GCSE paper isn't "free"
Mindovermatter247 · 01/09/2023 22:24

When I was at school years ago, it was the teachers who decided wether it was worth the hassle, parents had no say. My maths teacher sent mine back and turns out they missed marked it by 7. I went up from c to b. They only did it for 3 others I believe.

curaçao · 01/09/2023 22:24

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 01/09/2023 18:17

I get increasingly annoyed by the fact that everyone talks about getting a paper ‘re-marked’. That’s not what happens. You can get a clerical check to check whether there were any clerical errors in the adding up of the original marks or a review of marking where the reviewer checks that the original examiner was reasonable in their application of the mark scheme. They’re not looking for ‘one or two more marks’ so little Johnny can squeak into the grade above!

We got a kevel physics remarked and it was exactly that-a remark.we could see the marks each examiner had given for each question

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 22:25

LimeTreeGrove · 01/09/2023 22:11

I think how it works with grade boundaries is that a certain percentage of the candidates get each grade. So, say 3% get 9. If they set grade 9 at a certain percentage and then 25% of kids achieved that grade it would devalue a 9.
That's my understanding but I'm not a teacher and I might be wrong!

If the students study etc why should those that succeed gain the 9 then just adjust the exam etc ? Rather than only giving a certain percentage the 9 if all achieve it

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:25

curaçao · 01/09/2023 22:24

We got a kevel physics remarked and it was exactly that-a remark.we could see the marks each examiner had given for each question

This year? It wasn't a remark. They were not actively looking for marks.

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:30

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 22:25

If the students study etc why should those that succeed gain the 9 then just adjust the exam etc ? Rather than only giving a certain percentage the 9 if all achieve it

Because OFQUAL requires grade distribution on a bell curve.

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 22:32

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:30

Because OFQUAL requires grade distribution on a bell curve.

Is that a better or worse method ?

noblegiraffe · 01/09/2023 22:33

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:30

Because OFQUAL requires grade distribution on a bell curve.

Not quite! The distribution for certain subjects is very definitely not bell-shaped.

What Ofqual do require is comparable outcomes to the previous year, so the same grade distribution.

to tell you reviewing your GCSE paper isn't "free"
MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:33

It's the method we have.

It means that when someone says "this is definitely a grade x", they're making a guess.

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:34

noblegiraffe · 01/09/2023 22:33

Not quite! The distribution for certain subjects is very definitely not bell-shaped.

What Ofqual do require is comparable outcomes to the previous year, so the same grade distribution.

Good point.

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 22:36

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:33

It's the method we have.

It means that when someone says "this is definitely a grade x", they're making a guess.

But if a person gets eg a nine and so does eg 30 others but due to the bell curve then what makes the difference between some getting the 9 and others getting lower grades ?

CharlieBoo · 01/09/2023 22:37

Parents are abusing you?

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:38

The grade boundaries don't exist until all the papers are marked. So x marks = 9 this time, but next year, it'll be y = 9, depending on how the candidates perform.

LimeTreeGrove · 01/09/2023 22:38

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 22:25

If the students study etc why should those that succeed gain the 9 then just adjust the exam etc ? Rather than only giving a certain percentage the 9 if all achieve it

The grades distinguish between different levels of attainment. All students who achieve the same mark will get the same grade. Those who achieve a lower mark will get a lower grade etc.

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 22:40

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:38

The grade boundaries don't exist until all the papers are marked. So x marks = 9 this time, but next year, it'll be y = 9, depending on how the candidates perform.

Ah I see so if they do well this year, next year they will need to be better ?

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 22:41

Possibly. It depends on the paper and cohort

borntobequiet · 01/09/2023 22:41

twelly · 01/09/2023 21:58

I believe this was before then when the script could be ordered for a fee - so no, experienced professional teachers!

So a completely different situation, then.

NorthernGirlie · 01/09/2023 22:43

These are the Higher / Foundation grade boundaries for maths for the last few years. Grade boundary fluctuations are insane.

We don't know what the pass mark is until results day!

to tell you reviewing your GCSE paper isn't "free"