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to tell you reviewing your GCSE paper isn't "free"

393 replies

BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 17:45

I've never begrudged putting aside a few hours for genuine disappointing shock grades, or when a student has so nearly made the grade they need for their next stage.

But this year it has gone totally over the top.

And recalling GCSE papers for the school to review is NOT "free" - it just doesn't cost the parent anything, that is all. It relies either on teachers volunteering their spare time, or the school employing an additional, qualified person to do it.

I spent 25-30 hours in the last week of the holiday doing this, and now have a whole new list to somehow try and cram in to a single weekend

My head of department has already contacted some parents to say no, we are not doing it for such and such a student, and honestly, you would think we were chopping their kids hands off, or something, the abuse, and threats and accusations we get!

Some of the students we have said no to have already got their sixth form places, and don't need to check their grades, some are so far from the next grade up that they are many times more likely to go down than up, and some have got exactly what was predicted, anyway.

Occasionally a grade goes up, but it is very rare, and in genuine cases, I am happy to spend the time checking. Most of the cases we are getting requested now though, are not genuine! None of the papers I have checked this year are going up, although several might actual go down if the parents take it further.

So please, before expecting this service for the school, keep in mind

a) Is it necessary? Not if your child has got their sixth form place or apprenticeship, or whatever they wanted.

b) Is it likely? Parents often over estimate their children's likely GCSE grades, particularly if they have helped them revise, and marked a few mock papers, etc- children perform best in a one to one situation with a lot of encouragement, such as they might get at home with a parent, but this is not how they are assessed.

c) Somebody has to be just below the next grade boundary! That is how grade boundaries work!

d) Some grade bands are very narrow - being 3 marks off a 6 could actually be 2 marks from a 4.

e) It isn't a case of " just finding one more mark" - the marking has to be withing a tolerance. 2 examiners might mark the same paper differently, but that does not mean one is right and one is wrong. Yes, I find marks in the papers that I would have given that the examiner has not, but I also find marks the examiner has given that I would not, and overall, the mark comes out the same, or virtually the same. The grade is not going to be changed over a disagreement about fractions of marks. It needs to be a substantial difference for the grade to be changed, and not a case of strict or lenient marking.

Yes, it is sometimes worth having a look at the papers, no it is not worth this wholesale demand that has developed this year.

If this school review system continues to be abused, I expect it will be withdrawn very soon!

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towriteyoumustlive · 01/09/2023 18:00

YANBU!!

So far I have reviewed ONE A Level paper that was 1 mark of a grade E so quite a difference! I'm sending it for a remark now as I feel he should have got the E.

But the amount of parents asking for remarks or papers checked by us is crazy. Particularly when it's not important or miles off the grade boundary.

Lovetotravel123 · 01/09/2023 18:04

I was thinking this after seeing so many people suggesting remarks on MN. We never even thought about asking for that when I was at school. A grade was a grade.

BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 18:07

Lovetotravel123 · 01/09/2023 18:04

I was thinking this after seeing so many people suggesting remarks on MN. We never even thought about asking for that when I was at school. A grade was a grade.

Exactly! It is particularly jarring to see posters on MN repeatedly referring to it as "free" when it is costing me so much sleep and family time! It is partly because of that I have set a limit, and am not prepared to take on any more now. It is all voluntary, but goodwill is being strained beyond breaking point.

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Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 18:09

Maybe it shouldn’t be “free”?
Tell them the marks, and your expectations then let them choose whether it’s worth paying for your time to review?

Riverlee · 01/09/2023 18:09

I paid to have my sons exams re-marked, and if the grades did get changed, we got a refund.

GreyhpundGirl · 01/09/2023 18:10

Our parents pay if the school doesn't agree that the grade was off. The grades and marks this year have been bonkers- I found that especially at A Level. The pressure to return to the 2019 has been felt keenly. Trouble is, the exam boards are desperate for markers so they can employ people who don't teach the spec therefore don't have the understanding a teacher does. That's also a contributing factor- I mean, I apply to mark papers I teach, not take pot luck....

I totally agree though but parents don't understand the system, understandably they want the best for their kids- however unreasonable that might seem to us.

AmyandPhilipfan · 01/09/2023 18:10

It annoys me when I see people saying about GCSE marks 'they were 2 marks off a 9! I want a remark.' Like, your kid got an 8. That is still an exceptional grade. Be thankful and celebrate their achievement!

Plannersareus · 01/09/2023 18:11

Teachers! It's free to the parents, this is true. Pupils have been through an awful time in recent years (so have teachers, and many others) but maybe they need something to help them out.

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 01/09/2023 18:11

YANBU - I don't even think we were allowed to ask for a re-mark when I did my GCSE's. The school could choose to put your paper forward if they felt you were really close or that it was unfair, but otherwise, you accepted the grade you got!

I had my GCSE Geography paper re-marked (successfully) as I was only one mark off a B.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 01/09/2023 18:17

I get increasingly annoyed by the fact that everyone talks about getting a paper ‘re-marked’. That’s not what happens. You can get a clerical check to check whether there were any clerical errors in the adding up of the original marks or a review of marking where the reviewer checks that the original examiner was reasonable in their application of the mark scheme. They’re not looking for ‘one or two more marks’ so little Johnny can squeak into the grade above!

TeenDivided · 01/09/2023 18:21

Riverlee · 01/09/2023 18:09

I paid to have my sons exams re-marked, and if the grades did get changed, we got a refund.

Before that stage though, the school can get hold of the scripts.
Then a teacher, if willing, can look at the marking to see if it is worth paying for a review.
Because getting the scripts is free, and parents aren't being asked to pay for the teacher's time, the OP is saying far too many are being requested by people just chancing their arm rather than having a genuine belief the exam may have been mismarked.

mainbrochus · 01/09/2023 18:21

The school emailed us to suggest a remark on one paper, so that was nice of them. I doubly appreciate it now !

Hmmph · 01/09/2023 18:24

"when it's not important..."

I take issue with this as the parent of a perfectionist teen. You might not think it's important, but to Jon who has worked hard for 2-3 years on your subject and who was expecting to get a 7 and has just missed it they are absolutely gutted and it means so much to them.

noblegiraffe · 01/09/2023 18:25

I’ve also seen parents on here complaining that teachers haven’t responded to emails about looking at papers. They’re out of office!

MrsHamlet · 01/09/2023 18:25

The papers belong to the candidates though, so you can't actually refuse to get them back for them.

And it's far better that the papers are looked at than that people are forking out £50 a pop on the off-chance that someone will "find one extra mark". The vast majority of the time, they do not.

TeenDivided · 01/09/2023 18:26

Hmmph · 01/09/2023 18:24

"when it's not important..."

I take issue with this as the parent of a perfectionist teen. You might not think it's important, but to Jon who has worked hard for 2-3 years on your subject and who was expecting to get a 7 and has just missed it they are absolutely gutted and it means so much to them.

otoh, If you have a perfectionist teen, maybe it is better to be a bit disappointed by a GCSE result, and learn that the world doesn't end, rather than trying to put it right?

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 01/09/2023 18:27

TeenDivided · 01/09/2023 18:26

otoh, If you have a perfectionist teen, maybe it is better to be a bit disappointed by a GCSE result, and learn that the world doesn't end, rather than trying to put it right?

Exactly. Surely it's better for teenagers to learn that a B in English (or whatever) is perfectly okay and that they don't need to fight for perfection to be successful or happy.

BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 18:28

Hmmph · 01/09/2023 18:24

"when it's not important..."

I take issue with this as the parent of a perfectionist teen. You might not think it's important, but to Jon who has worked hard for 2-3 years on your subject and who was expecting to get a 7 and has just missed it they are absolutely gutted and it means so much to them.

Welcome to the real world Jon!

And why should I sacrifice my family time this weekend just to pander to someone's immaturity? You sound like you think I should! Can I just remind you that this is VOLUNTARY! and I have already done around 30 hours over the last week, and I don't have to do any of it.

I am afraid he would be one of the ones we turned down today. Sorry

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BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 18:29

noblegiraffe · 01/09/2023 18:25

I’ve also seen parents on here complaining that teachers haven’t responded to emails about looking at papers. They’re out of office!

Yep, had that too! Complaints that I haven't provided this entirely voluntary service fast enough!

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bonzaitree · 01/09/2023 18:31

BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 18:28

Welcome to the real world Jon!

And why should I sacrifice my family time this weekend just to pander to someone's immaturity? You sound like you think I should! Can I just remind you that this is VOLUNTARY! and I have already done around 30 hours over the last week, and I don't have to do any of it.

I am afraid he would be one of the ones we turned down today. Sorry

If it’s voluntary then don’t do it.

say « no »

sounds like a you problem.

BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 18:32

bonzaitree · 01/09/2023 18:31

If it’s voluntary then don’t do it.

say « no »

sounds like a you problem.

Yes, we have said no, to a large number of parents! And have got a lot of abuse because of it.

I am seriously thinking of saying no next year. It might mean the service is just no longer offered, but this is ridiculous

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Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 18:33

I can understand someone wanting a review if they are applying for Oxbridge

that said on this "review system continues to be abused" why then have the system if you only expect a couple to use it ?

bonzaitree · 01/09/2023 18:33

BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 18:32

Yes, we have said no, to a large number of parents! And have got a lot of abuse because of it.

I am seriously thinking of saying no next year. It might mean the service is just no longer offered, but this is ridiculous

Say no to all of them.

Why would you say yes to work you’re not paid for?

BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 18:34

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 18:33

I can understand someone wanting a review if they are applying for Oxbridge

that said on this "review system continues to be abused" why then have the system if you only expect a couple to use it ?

The "system" depends on volunteers and goodwill, like much in education

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GrammarTeacher · 01/09/2023 18:34

We spread the load through our department and are happy to do it. One of my A Level students sent both her papers for review on the strength of an unexpected grade that confused us both. She went up on both papers and her grade has gone up (it fortunately didn't impact her Uni place anyway).
Still waiting to hear back from GCSE ones. However, last year AQA lost two of our Lit papers completely and just awarded 0 for that paper for the candidates. I'm glad I queried those. There are errors every year. Which wouldn't be found if papers weren't reviewed. By teachers.
Ideally the QA at the boards would be better but it isn't. There are things about teaching that irritate me a LOT more than checking papers for my students so they get the grades they should.