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to tell you reviewing your GCSE paper isn't "free"

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BorrowedThyme · 01/09/2023 17:45

I've never begrudged putting aside a few hours for genuine disappointing shock grades, or when a student has so nearly made the grade they need for their next stage.

But this year it has gone totally over the top.

And recalling GCSE papers for the school to review is NOT "free" - it just doesn't cost the parent anything, that is all. It relies either on teachers volunteering their spare time, or the school employing an additional, qualified person to do it.

I spent 25-30 hours in the last week of the holiday doing this, and now have a whole new list to somehow try and cram in to a single weekend

My head of department has already contacted some parents to say no, we are not doing it for such and such a student, and honestly, you would think we were chopping their kids hands off, or something, the abuse, and threats and accusations we get!

Some of the students we have said no to have already got their sixth form places, and don't need to check their grades, some are so far from the next grade up that they are many times more likely to go down than up, and some have got exactly what was predicted, anyway.

Occasionally a grade goes up, but it is very rare, and in genuine cases, I am happy to spend the time checking. Most of the cases we are getting requested now though, are not genuine! None of the papers I have checked this year are going up, although several might actual go down if the parents take it further.

So please, before expecting this service for the school, keep in mind

a) Is it necessary? Not if your child has got their sixth form place or apprenticeship, or whatever they wanted.

b) Is it likely? Parents often over estimate their children's likely GCSE grades, particularly if they have helped them revise, and marked a few mock papers, etc- children perform best in a one to one situation with a lot of encouragement, such as they might get at home with a parent, but this is not how they are assessed.

c) Somebody has to be just below the next grade boundary! That is how grade boundaries work!

d) Some grade bands are very narrow - being 3 marks off a 6 could actually be 2 marks from a 4.

e) It isn't a case of " just finding one more mark" - the marking has to be withing a tolerance. 2 examiners might mark the same paper differently, but that does not mean one is right and one is wrong. Yes, I find marks in the papers that I would have given that the examiner has not, but I also find marks the examiner has given that I would not, and overall, the mark comes out the same, or virtually the same. The grade is not going to be changed over a disagreement about fractions of marks. It needs to be a substantial difference for the grade to be changed, and not a case of strict or lenient marking.

Yes, it is sometimes worth having a look at the papers, no it is not worth this wholesale demand that has developed this year.

If this school review system continues to be abused, I expect it will be withdrawn very soon!

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ClickAndCollecting · 03/09/2023 13:10

JudgeJ · 03/09/2023 13:03

Hopefully attitudes and comments like yours will lead to this new scheme being scrapped and the old system where schools can ask for reviews being the only way forward.

What do you mean by ‘attitudes and comments’? I agree the system should be scrapped and teachers should not do this for free.

everybody8 · 03/09/2023 13:18

Can't you just refuse to review it and they can pay for regrading if they want?

BorrowedThyme · 03/09/2023 13:41

everybody8 · 03/09/2023 13:18

Can't you just refuse to review it and they can pay for regrading if they want?

That is going to be the line I take from now on. I've nearly finished now - one more final push after a lunch break.

But I've got 6 lessons tomorrow I have not even glanced at yet.

No way am I taking on any more papers to review now. No way at all. And I am not going to agree to any next year or in any future years either

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everybody8 · 03/09/2023 14:07

BorrowedThyme · 03/09/2023 13:41

That is going to be the line I take from now on. I've nearly finished now - one more final push after a lunch break.

But I've got 6 lessons tomorrow I have not even glanced at yet.

No way am I taking on any more papers to review now. No way at all. And I am not going to agree to any next year or in any future years either

Fair enough. Just make sure you're clear with the parents/kids..no reviews they can pay to appeal or not

Yamatoosogani · 03/09/2023 15:30

towriteyoumustlive · 01/09/2023 18:00

YANBU!!

So far I have reviewed ONE A Level paper that was 1 mark of a grade E so quite a difference! I'm sending it for a remark now as I feel he should have got the E.

But the amount of parents asking for remarks or papers checked by us is crazy. Particularly when it's not important or miles off the grade boundary.

E grade ? If they were that bad at the subject what made them think it was worth 2 years of their life??

towriteyoumustlive · 03/09/2023 15:37

Yamatoosogani · 03/09/2023 15:30

E grade ? If they were that bad at the subject what made them think it was worth 2 years of their life??

Actually they're really bright, but unfortunately very lazy with a lack of ambition, so it was very difficult to motivate them to work.

I did my best, and the 1 mark off an E grade was because I persuaded them to come to the Y12 lessons to help them revise (as I knew that this was the only chance of them doing some work outside of the Y13 lessons), and as a result of this they did well in the paper 1 Y12 element!

His mum also tried her best but to no avail...

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 03/09/2023 16:18

Why are you blaming the parents/students for the remarking OP?

its the process that needs changing, it’s not a blame game!!!

Ds1 had 2 papers remarked as he was expected 8/9 and achieved 6’s - his papers were remarked and he received a 8’s on both his remarks.

He studied for 2 years to gain his qualifications and they were half pissed marked by an incompetent idiot, me or him should not be moaned at for expecting his grades to be marked correctly first time.

He had already been accepted into his chosen college however it meant he would have been placed in a lower grade if his teachers didn’t ask for his paper to be remarked.

Blame the systems incompetence not the parents/students!!!

Purplebunnie · 03/09/2023 16:20

School asked me if I would consent to a review of my DD's GCSE and if I remember correctly I paid - Grammar School

Piggywaspushed · 03/09/2023 16:36

Purplebunnie · 03/09/2023 16:20

School asked me if I would consent to a review of my DD's GCSE and if I remember correctly I paid - Grammar School

This is the confusion over the word review. That's an exam board review aka a remark.

Purplebunnie · 03/09/2023 17:17

Piggywaspushed · 03/09/2023 16:36

This is the confusion over the word review. That's an exam board review aka a remark.

Probably am confused. Her marks didn't change - I think school were hoping they would, they felt it should have been higher and would have got her the next grade

jolaylasofia · 03/09/2023 18:21

yeh i've had about 5 parents demand remarks for students that got U! (Private international school doing caie A levels) It's just not going to change anything, the kid got like 5/80. Just stupidness

jolaylasofia · 03/09/2023 18:22

noblegiraffe · 01/09/2023 18:25

I’ve also seen parents on here complaining that teachers haven’t responded to emails about looking at papers. They’re out of office!

yes because they are on holiday!

jolaylasofia · 03/09/2023 18:32

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 03/09/2023 12:36

12 marks were found on my son's maths gcse paper a few years ago.
A B grade became an A grade.
School thought he should be happy with the B despite being predicted an A/A*.
So I think you are unreasonable.

that's a remark and not what op is doing

Yellowlegobrick · 03/09/2023 19:30

otoh, If you have a perfectionist teen, maybe it is better to be a bit disappointed by a GCSE result, and learn that the world doesn't end, rather than trying to put it right?

This, with spots on. The teen needs to learn from the experience, that the world has not ended and life goes on. Resilience....

TeenDivided · 04/09/2023 08:11

I've been thinking of different reasons for wanting a remark
a) grade is 2 below as expected, eg expecting a 5/6 and get a 4 and looking at paper scores 1 paper is way lower than the others unexpectedly.
b) 1 or 2 marks below and a critical grade for next steps
Those seem quite good reasons, and maybe do warrant asking a teacher to check first.

But also there are:
c) 1 or 2 marks below and grade was below expected eg predicted a 6, got a 5
d) 1 or 2 marks below but grade was as expected
These seem to me to be cases when in the 'old days' people would have shrugged their shoulders and said 'ah well, that's how it goes'. Those are the ones that parents should either just pay for a review or leave it.

In the 'old days' schools would have been suggesting remarks for a and b anyway.

Helen483 · 05/09/2023 12:59

Well said.
I'd like to see schools reviewing grades as a matter of course and challenging any that are anomalous.
I don't know where teachers get off wanting to be respected as professionals but then complaining about any extra work. I used to regularly work a 50 hour week even though in theory I was paid for 35; and it wasn't unusual for people to be called back from holiday if there was a problem. We didn't get overtime or time off in lieu - a professional works the hours needed to do their job.
And we didn't get 13 week's holiday a year either. An expectation on teachers to do some work in the last week of their long summer holiday doesn't seem at all unreasonable.

BorrowedThyme · 05/09/2023 13:16

Helen483 · 05/09/2023 12:59

Well said.
I'd like to see schools reviewing grades as a matter of course and challenging any that are anomalous.
I don't know where teachers get off wanting to be respected as professionals but then complaining about any extra work. I used to regularly work a 50 hour week even though in theory I was paid for 35; and it wasn't unusual for people to be called back from holiday if there was a problem. We didn't get overtime or time off in lieu - a professional works the hours needed to do their job.
And we didn't get 13 week's holiday a year either. An expectation on teachers to do some work in the last week of their long summer holiday doesn't seem at all unreasonable.

but the point is I ALREADY had 50 -60 hours of work to do in the couple weeks, this was an extra 50-60 hours - on top of what is already extra unpaid time

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noblegiraffe · 05/09/2023 14:49

I'd like to see schools reviewing grades as a matter of course and challenging any that are anomalous.

I’d like to see a country where we have enough teachers to actually teach all the kids.

That goal is unlikely to be realised while people keep adding more and more unreasonable expectations to the job. Particularly if it affects the holidays.

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