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Brexit just keeps on giving

201 replies

Leftinlimbo · 29/08/2023 08:10

This is not progress - now the government is going to relax the laws allowing housing to be built near our waterways without any concern for the environment:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878

River Lugg, Wales

Pollution rules could change to ease housebuilding

Laws designed to protect waterways have ended plans for thousands of homes, developers claim.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878

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TezTickle · 29/08/2023 15:45

If we was still in the EU they would forbid us from forging ahead and we would have to obey.

BIWI · 29/08/2023 15:48

Forging ahead?!

ilovesooty · 29/08/2023 15:55

TezTickle · 29/08/2023 15:45

If we was still in the EU they would forbid us from forging ahead and we would have to obey.

Oh for goodness sake.

DuncinToffee · 29/08/2023 15:55

BIWI · 29/08/2023 15:48

Forging ahead?!

with polluting rivers?

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 29/08/2023 15:55

TezTickle · 29/08/2023 15:45

If we was still in the EU they would forbid us from forging ahead and we would have to obey.

Forging ahead with what?

Barbadossunset · 29/08/2023 16:01

Iwantmyoldnameback · Today 13:38
How many spare bedrooms do the Royal Family have? I'm sure they wouldn't miss a few

How many spare bedrooms can someone have before it’s acceptable to requisition them?

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 16:03

Surely we all get a warm glow from knowing Britain is on it's way to being world beating again ? So much negativism.

We've already surrounded our island with shit in a stunning physical metaphor that only the dim, thick or woke lefties can't appreciate.

Now rivers.

My only concern is that all the hard work that has gone into child poverty and homelessness could be overlooked. Which would be a shame as I don't think it gets anywhere near the amount of praise it deserves.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 16:05

Barbadossunset · 29/08/2023 16:01

Iwantmyoldnameback · Today 13:38
How many spare bedrooms do the Royal Family have? I'm sure they wouldn't miss a few

How many spare bedrooms can someone have before it’s acceptable to requisition them?

42

LifeExperience · 29/08/2023 16:05

Downsizing costs money. I'm in my sixties and we just did it. The transaction costs to buy and sell are huge, not to mention the removal people, etc. Many retirees don't have that kind of money.

TheThinkingGoblin · 29/08/2023 16:13

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 14:10

Insurers won't pay up if a risk is guaranteed. - unless you game the market.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/a-future-for-flood-insurance/

Thats not really "gaming the market"

Flood Re works as a reinsurer of last resort at the national level.

Essentially,

Primary insurers write home insurance that has covers flood risk for £x

The actual cost of the flood risk is £2x

The difference is effectively subsidised by Flood Re.

So its the taxpayers and industry that subsidise house building on flood plains.

With climate change, we are seeing an increase in the severity of the flooding events, which then result in higher financial losses.

Thats why the flood risk component of home insurance will keep increasing (insurance cost for homes in flood plains will shoot up), as will the subsidy from the taxpayer for Flood Re.

Moral of the story:

Building in flood plains is cheaper for housebuilders and good for NIMBYs (who avoid buildings near them on non-flood plains), but in the end we all pay higher home insurance and taxes to subsidise that.

Britain is basically broken. Has been for a long time due to the housing situation. It has horrriby skewed the economy over the last 20 years and now its starting to fall apart due to demographics.

My advice is get out of the UK if you can.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 29/08/2023 16:15

So the EU only ever made us do 100% right things and nothing bad or unwanted? Is that it? And it didn’t really make us do any of it (except when it did and then it was ok)?

MrTiddlesTheCat · 29/08/2023 16:18

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 29/08/2023 16:15

So the EU only ever made us do 100% right things and nothing bad or unwanted? Is that it? And it didn’t really make us do any of it (except when it did and then it was ok)?

What did the EU ever make the UK do that the UK didn't want?

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 16:18

MrTiddlesTheCat · 29/08/2023 16:18

What did the EU ever make the UK do that the UK didn't want?

Google it.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 29/08/2023 16:19

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 16:18

Google it.

So you have nothing. Funnily enough, neither did Google.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 29/08/2023 16:30

So that’s it then - the EU never made us do anything bad/unwanted? Well that was lucky eh?

MrTiddlesTheCat · 29/08/2023 16:34

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 29/08/2023 16:30

So that’s it then - the EU never made us do anything bad/unwanted? Well that was lucky eh?

So you admit it. Excellent.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 16:34

Parklife !

Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit · 29/08/2023 16:39

Hi HannibalHeyes! I loved that show. I'm going to use Kid Curry as my user name when I go back to school, now you have reminded me. I bet they couldn't make that show today because not many actors can ride, certainly not well enough to chase a train.
Also you are correct about it being a long time since Britain fed itself. I was just trying to work it out. Even during the Napoleonic wars we were importing food. And that was with the French and Americans attacking our shipping.

DuncinToffee · 29/08/2023 16:42

Oh look

At the top of the FTSE 100 index in lunchtime trading we have housebuilder Persimmon, up 4.5%. It is joined by Barratt Developments and Taylor Wimpey in the top 10 risers.

Until they turned off the taps, housebuilders and developers accounted for around a fifth of all donations to the Tory party

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-donor-house-building-b2348052.html

Millions in Tory donations at risk as property developers hit back

Housebuilders and developers - who in the past have accounted for around a fifth of all donations - have turned off the taps.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-donor-house-building-b2348052.html

LakieLady · 29/08/2023 16:44

FoodFann · 29/08/2023 08:19

In the 6 million spare bedrooms owned by the over 60s. Perhaps they could… I don’t know… downsize and let families live in family homes?! Mad. I know!

I've looked into downsizing to a flat, but the service charges and ground rent meant I'd actually be worse off.

I'd still need 2 bedrooms though, because when I have to have my knee replaced, I'd need someone to come and stay for a while like I did when I had the first one done.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 29/08/2023 16:47

MrTiddlesTheCat · 29/08/2023 16:34

So you admit it. Excellent.

I was asking the question - why does everyone assume you must be on one side or the other?

TheThinkingGoblin · 29/08/2023 17:00

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 29/08/2023 16:47

I was asking the question - why does everyone assume you must be on one side or the other?

Its not a question of "side" now.

The evidence of Brexit costs being far larger than any "gains" is immense.

Its black and white now.

Only the crazies and extremists support it now.

There is zero need for discussion about this now.

jannier · 29/08/2023 17:04

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/08/2023 08:13

Well, where do you suggest the extra 300,000 new residents are going to live? In your back garden?

Convert all the extra office buildings

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 29/08/2023 17:18

TheThinkingGoblin · 29/08/2023 17:00

Its not a question of "side" now.

The evidence of Brexit costs being far larger than any "gains" is immense.

Its black and white now.

Only the crazies and extremists support it now.

There is zero need for discussion about this now.

There is zero need for discussion apparently.
And yet up you pop to give us the benefit of your superior knowledge and education. Again.

TezTickle · 29/08/2023 17:23

Crazies and extremists...pot, kettle 😂