Brexit just keeps on giving

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This is not progress - now the government is going to relax the laws allowing housing to be built near our waterways without any concern for the environment:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878

They release homes at a speed at which they can sell without reducing prices.

How much of the 98% is needed to grow food to feed us ?

We are getting poorer as a nation and it is going to get worse - in part because we have overfunded and inappropriately allocated money to demographics that are less in need of it than others

Ah right. We're back to the 'all pensioners are rich bastards,' aren't we?

I'm 52. I have a 5 bed house with part of it easily made into a self contained annex. I chose it because I have two teens one of which has Autism and may not be able to live independently for a while. I also have elderly parents who I won't put into care homes when needed unless they are violent or unsafe to live here

I'm not giving that up

I worked My way up from a one bed to a two bed to a 3 bed before I got this place.

That's what is normal

And to go back to the thread we need to use brownfield sites. Using flood plains is bloody stupid.

Maybe on top of a mountain, or on productive farmland. I mean, the possibilities are endless, right?

In the real world, houses need to be built close to facilities and places of employment.

Given that we've not been able to feed ourselves for over 150 years, I suspect that's not really something to worry about.

Taking ourselves out of the market that was feeding us with good quality cheap food, now that's something else...

🤣🤣🤣, yep very creepy vibes towards older people nowadays! ( quality film though!)

Why don't we use the land in the middle of towns and cities that's currently occupied by disused factories/substandard housing and build there instead first.I've never understood this. It used to be because some mythical retail was going to return. That's not going to happen due to the internet so why don't councils see sense.

In my local town I can think of three such sites within 10 mins walk of the town centre. One is huge and has been derelict since about 1991! It's madness!

They have stopped. The fertility rate is well below replacement level. We've spent quite a few years with a similar rate as China (you know, with its One Child Policy)

And it goes against all the environmental stuff surely

Also if the government are going to start making it difficult for people to drive then maybe they will want to stay in their house with Garden and may want to grow vegetables etc and have relatives to stay

I understand the relationship with Brexit. But I'm not sure every national policy (good or bad compared to eu) can really be put under the Brexits fault umbrella. I just think it's a bad policy but don't really blame leave-voters. But is someone wants to refer it as something that brexit has caused then go for it. Not too fussed 😁

Perhaps if they built all the houses that have got planning for already - where the builder is just sitting on the land - that may just help.

Plus the Brown Field sites and empty commercial buildings of all sorts that can be converted into anything from starter homes, to larger places - catering for all of society.

Add in all the empty houses (lived next door to one for years, council did nothing as it slowly rotted) and much much higher tax on 2nd homes and we should have housing for all.

We do NOT need to pollute our water ways still further to build more housing. Neither do we need to rip up field after field or build on flood plains. It is cheaper I acknowledge - but not good for the land or society. Use what we have.

But of course, a few members of our elite wont make their millions out of this, so it won't happen.

FoodFann In the 6 million spare bedrooms owned by the over 60s. Perhaps they could… I don’t know… downsize and let families live in family homes?! Mad. I know!

we have worked and paid for our house it is OURS. Not going to down size or let anyone into our house we don't invite. How dare you suggest it. Bet you wont feel that way when you reach our age.

But I'm not sure every national policy (good or bad compared to eu) can really be put under the Brexits fault umbrella.

Even when the PM himself tells you it is ?

Luckily for the country, the chances on any extra houses being built under this brainwave are the same as they were when Boris promised us 300,000 houses by tomorrow, or some similar hogwash. There is fuck all incentive for housebuilders to reduce their profits demand for housing just because the current leader of the party they pay to ensure such things don't happen says something to a credulous press.

Even now, Gove and Sunak are on calls with their paymasters saying "Don't worry, you won't have to build more houses ...."

with the totally truthful

"...when have we ever let you down ?"

But it does raise an interesting question for us all.

"What part of the countryside would you sacrifice to stay in power ?"

You can't include anything that's already gone though.

(I may sell that question to Pointless)

Oh, here we go with more ageism on MN ☹️

Yes, but they're not. Brownfield sites in cities are ignored in favour of greenfield sites with no public transport, adding to road congestion and increasing commutes.

Don't knock it. Look what a great distraction is is proving to be from the real issue of the UKs self enforced housing crisis.

Long may it continue !

In fact could a few posters throws in some similar squirrels about "KWAWI", "but Corbyn" and "interstellar molecules". Admittedly the latter is quite niche, but will certainly prove convenient for obfuscating any coherent discussion.

(Clav is on holiday)

no they don't
it's ageism pure and simple.

Because if we're going to start forcing people out of their legally purchased homes, how about we force them out of their environmentally unsound gas guzzlers at the same time? Just take them off them.

And then anyone over 50 who has a house with more bedrooms than one person, or a couple can use. And their gas guzzlers.

Maybe we should collectivise everything - from each that they can provide and to each that they need?

The government has said it will double Natural England’s wetland funding to £280m in order to show it is trying to meet the requirements of its legally binding Environment Act.

I've made up nothing.
I've simply searched your previous posts.

The government has said lots of things.

but we are specifically talking here about a policy (degrading rivers) that was directly enabled by Brexit.
So it is something Brexit has caused.

Tbf, some of the recent influx of ageist, sexist, misogynistic, eugenicist alt-right astroturfers make Clav look like a liberal.

What about all the empty shops in most high streets? High rents, the government has too much control and too much greed allowing foreign buyers to buy up a lot of property and leaving it empty.

Maybe people shouldn’t have sprogs if they don’t have enough bedrooms for them? Works both ways!!