Brexit just keeps on giving

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This is not progress - now the government is going to relax the laws allowing housing to be built near our waterways without any concern for the environment:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878

@FoodFann

i don’t normally swear on here but fuck off with your ageism. The over 60s also have family you know, it’s not like get to 60, no one lives at home now, piss off and live in a one bed somewhere

Or we could just… force British people over sixty into one bed flats to make way

1. How do you propose to do that?
2. where are people who want one bedroom flats going to live?
3. What happens to people over 60 who don't want to live in a one bedroom flat?

That one doesn't like fat people either.

As someone who is not thin, not young, have a child with a non British father and owns a house with a spare room I think I should be put on a protected list.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain I was being sarcastic. The idea of forcing people out of their homes is repellent.

This change in policy is about getting more donations into Tory coffers from their house building mates & tbh considering the amount of raw sewage pumped into UK rivers already, it wont make much difference to pollution levels.

Except to some people I can assure you it isn't.

Oh, you mean those houses people have worked for and paid the mortgages on and brought up their DC in and lived in for years? those houses that they actually own? I mean, the entitlement that because they own something they should actually have the right to keep it, eh?

I think really, it's the government who should be coming up with ways to solve the housing crisis, just as they should be coming up with decent policies around environmental protection. But they won't, because they're too focused on other stuff that's of far less consequence to the majority of people.

Gove is calling it a Brexit bonus

We started off in a flat. It was our step on to the housing ladder. Now we are older and stay at home more we would miss our garden

Really interesting post.
Out of interest why would developers just sit on available land and not develop it? Waiting for prices to go up?

What age are you turfing them out of their homes?

For home owners do you propose compulsory purchase? Any compensation for this?

How will to deal with the impact of removing people from their support networks?

Where are they to go?

My kids won’t have finished uni by the time I’m in my 60’s. They might need a place to stay in holidays etc. I also plan to care for my mother. Should we do all that in a one bed - are only young families real families.

As is Sunak... someone i thought might be better than Truss or Boris but is actually worse.

Houses/Rents aren't affordable, mortgages are hard to get, we've a low wage economy, with very high house prices.

Allowing more shit into our Rivers wont change any of this.

Only an idiot would think that removing these (very minor) restrictions will make any difference.

Better get social services on standby, they'll need to find a home for my dc who will still be a minor when I hit 60 and get carted off to the old people's facility.

Actually you are completely wrong.

Which is likely to happen when you concentrate on the person and make up stuff rather than concentrating on the argument.

I don't care about old people living in houses they bought. If someone wants to live in a house 10x too big for them I don't care, provided they are the ones that choose to pay for it. If people have three children it's their business.

Where it becomes my business (and where I am entitled to have an opinion) is when I and the taxpayer are expected to pay for it.

Using taxpayer money to keep people in unsuitable housing when we have a housing and environment crisis is the height of stupidity.

My head isn't confused. It's clear thinking. Direct money to people who need it, not to ones who don't.

Of course the biggest irony of all this is that it is going to happen anyway, whether anyone here likes it or not. We are getting poorer as a nation and it is going to get worse - in part because we have overfunded and inappropriately allocated money to demographics that are less in need of it than others, and because our taxation policy is biased towards taxing income rather than assets such as houses. We simply don't have cash available to sustain the unsustainable.

The squeezed middle are already starting to realise that raising a family based on current taxation levels is becoming impossible, even with relatively high wages. There is not to much thinking to be done to join the dots and figure out where their thinking will go next.

@BaronessEllarawrosaurus too bad eh! In @Oliotya ’s world it seems as we chose to have kids late the state gets to take our kids and our houses to distribute to the more needy younger women. After all, once we are passed 60 we’re not actually real humans anyway and all the money we have earned, saved and paid in tax should be discounted and redistributed. Everyone knows older women make no contribution in terms of caring, working and upholding families.

The other thing about over 60s is that given the COL and poor pensions many are still working , often both people in a couple and given the WFH is often the deal these days , what with that and rebound adult children, many do indeed still need the space .

I give you the example of my lovely neighbours- late 60's. Lovely big Edwardian3 bed semi in nice area, but hugely extended and reconfigured on ground floor as the guy has MS and a wheelchair , adult son also appears to have some disability . They have an amazing garden that again has been worked on to allow maximum use for the guy. Try finding something smaller and suitable. Why should they move- I wouldn't. It would also be close to a million if not slightly over . There are plenty of other houses here at that level on the market. The problem isn't no family houses, it's families that can afford that level, the issues are affordability in many parts of the country - not lack of homes.

using taxpayer money

I'm a pensioner. I pay tax. And I'm still working. (Self employed so not taking a job from a younger person). Your generalisions are offensive.

It does seem a few people on here would be happy with Logan's Run .

*Where it becomes my business (and where I am entitled to have an opinion) is when I and the taxpayer are expected to pay for it.

Using taxpayer money to keep people in unsuitable housing when we have a housing and environment crisis is the height of stupidity*

Not clear what you mean here, are you talking about the state pension being paid to people who live in what you call unsuitable housing?

To be honest that poster's comment about the over 60s has a fair point whether we like it or not. We can't have it all.

Perhaps the government needs to cut the top rate of Stamp Duty then, to encourage downsizing.