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Brexit just keeps on giving

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Leftinlimbo · 29/08/2023 08:10

This is not progress - now the government is going to relax the laws allowing housing to be built near our waterways without any concern for the environment:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878

River Lugg, Wales

Pollution rules could change to ease housebuilding

Laws designed to protect waterways have ended plans for thousands of homes, developers claim.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878

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averylongtimeago · 29/08/2023 13:36

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So what do you suggest @Oliotya ?

Compulsory purchase of the nice house and garden which we have worked hard to pay for? We weren't given it, we have worked bloody hard to buy it and to renovate it to how we want it.

Are you suggesting that personally owned property is just confiscated?

When we are too old to look after it, it will fund extra care or if we are lucky we will pass something on to our children.

Where would we live? Have you a realistic suggestion? We currently have a couple of large dogs/ would we have to have them put down or re- homed as most rental properties won't allow multiple pets.

Where are all these over 60's homes anyway? I don't see any round us, the sheltered housing has been privatized and it's dead man's shoes anyway.

It's easy to blame others for the problems of society- the old, the asylum seekers, the EU migrants, the feckless young eating avocados on toast instead of saving- but that's the easy answer.
Instead look to government policies which have been all about maximizing profit for their friends and not about improving life for the overall majority.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 13:36

Cadburysucks · 29/08/2023 13:25

What about all the empty shops in most high streets? High rents, the government has too much control and too much greed allowing foreign buyers to buy up a lot of property and leaving it empty.

Which is government policy, not some sort of "whoops" accident.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 29/08/2023 13:38

How many spare bedrooms do the Royal Family have? I'm sure they wouldn't miss a few .

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 13:38

Gall10 · 29/08/2023 13:27

Maybe people shouldn’t have sprogs if they don’t have enough bedrooms for them? Works both ways!!

Finally someone who says it like it is !

Stop poor people breeding.

You know it makes sense.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 13:39

Iwantmyoldnameback · 29/08/2023 13:38

How many spare bedrooms do the Royal Family have? I'm sure they wouldn't miss a few .

A Britain without the Royal Family being above us wouldn't be worth living in.

I'd rather every river ran thick with shit before giving up on the Royals.

MereDintofPandiculation · 29/08/2023 13:41

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 13:19

The government has said lots of things.

It's not good news either way. Either they don't, and our rivers are trashed, or they do, and the mitigation measures which were the responsibility of the developers are now paid for by the taxpayer.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 13:47

MereDintofPandiculation · 29/08/2023 13:41

It's not good news either way. Either they don't, and our rivers are trashed, or they do, and the mitigation measures which were the responsibility of the developers are now paid for by the taxpayer.

Clean rivers are vastly overrated. We managed for centuries pumping shit and filth and industrial waste into them. We need to get back to that to Make Britain Great Again, and stop pandering to wokey snowflake types who think cholera is a bad thing.

HappiestSleeping · 29/08/2023 14:02

ConsuelaHammock · 29/08/2023 12:29

How much of the 98% is needed to grow food to feed us ?

Since the farming industry is on its arse (also impacted by Brexit), there may well be more land available, however I was not suggesting building on all of it, just a small amount a little further from the waterways so that we don't damage them.

LongDarkTeatime · 29/08/2023 14:04

Most people will only care when their insurance premiums go up to pay for other people’s flood damage. Or when their wild swimming spot is full of sewage.
Since the 1980s this country has been increasingly ‘I’m all right Jack and the rest of you are none of my business’. People forget we all live in a community (until they want free to access healthcare, schools or roads).
When you hear people who have believe the lie/ misdirection that immigration is a serious problem, oh FFS I give up.

HappiestSleeping · 29/08/2023 14:05

DdraigGoch · 29/08/2023 12:31

Maybe on top of a mountain, or on productive farmland. I mean, the possibilities are endless, right?

In the real world, houses need to be built close to facilities and places of employment.

The possibilities are indeed endless. The good news is that it doesn't have to be on top of a mountain or on productive farmland. It just doesn't have to be on top of waterways either. Additionally, it would also be closer to facilities which tend to be nearer to roads these days than waterways. Despite being old, I haven't ever needed to catch a narrow boat to work.

Maireas · 29/08/2023 14:09

@averylongtimeago - excellent points.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 14:10

LongDarkTeatime · 29/08/2023 14:04

Most people will only care when their insurance premiums go up to pay for other people’s flood damage. Or when their wild swimming spot is full of sewage.
Since the 1980s this country has been increasingly ‘I’m all right Jack and the rest of you are none of my business’. People forget we all live in a community (until they want free to access healthcare, schools or roads).
When you hear people who have believe the lie/ misdirection that immigration is a serious problem, oh FFS I give up.

Insurers won't pay up if a risk is guaranteed. - unless you game the market.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/a-future-for-flood-insurance/

The new flood insurance scheme will not cope with rising flood risk due to climate change and building in floodplains

A new flood insurance system in the UK has just been proposed by government and private industry, called Flood Re. Swenja Surminski and Florence Crick argue that the new scheme does not provide a c…

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/a-future-for-flood-insurance

DdraigGoch · 29/08/2023 14:14

What about all of the spare bedrooms in houses owned by under 60's? ... The offices in spare rooms?

...

Not to mention abandoned comercial buildings that could be repurposed.

@ForTheLoveOfSleep how much of that commercial property is only vacant because people have converted their own bedrooms into offices?

Fightyouforthatpie · 29/08/2023 14:14

Brefugee · 29/08/2023 13:20

but we are specifically talking here about a policy (degrading rivers) that was directly enabled by Brexit.
So it is something Brexit has caused.

So it is Sovereignty in action then?
I am confused now because those who opposed leaving said we could always do anything we wanted and the EU wasn't stopping us. In other words, the EU didn't in any way undermine or countermand our own UK elected government - are you now saying that's not right and they were stopping us doing some things?

Crikeyalmighty · 29/08/2023 14:15

@SerendipityJane you need to put a smiley face- the occasional rabid right winger on here has not dissimilar views!!

LongDarkTeatime · 29/08/2023 14:25

Fightyouforthatpie · 29/08/2023 14:14

So it is Sovereignty in action then?
I am confused now because those who opposed leaving said we could always do anything we wanted and the EU wasn't stopping us. In other words, the EU didn't in any way undermine or countermand our own UK elected government - are you now saying that's not right and they were stopping us doing some things?

You are right. The EU did help us bring in paid maternity leave, annual leave entitlement, working hours limits, environmental standards etc. However we had a veto on it all. Using the veto made it clear where our UK government were taking a different stance eg when within the EU we controlled our own borders. Or how other countries controlled their borders during the pandemic.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 14:29

The EU did help us bring in paid maternity leave, annual leave entitlement, working hours limits, environmental standards etc.

Woke snowflake bullshit.

Notonthestairs · 29/08/2023 14:30

"UK has a long history of environmental protection and we will not weaken environmental protections when we leave the EU. The Government is committed to being the first generation to leave the natural environment in a better state than we inherited it.
● As a part of this work, in January 2018 we published a comprehensive 25 Year Environment Plan that charts how we will improve our environment as we leave the European Union, tailoring it to the needs of our country.
● We will also uphold all our obligations under international environmental treaties"

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/714379/1805111EUWBEnvironmentallProtectionsfactsheett10Mayy18.pdf

So 'tailoring our plan' seems to mean reducing restrictions. I'm not sure they made that clear at the time.

everetting · 29/08/2023 14:44

Golf courses take up lots of land. More than houses in Britain.

Brefugee · 29/08/2023 14:56

Fightyouforthatpie · 29/08/2023 14:14

So it is Sovereignty in action then?
I am confused now because those who opposed leaving said we could always do anything we wanted and the EU wasn't stopping us. In other words, the EU didn't in any way undermine or countermand our own UK elected government - are you now saying that's not right and they were stopping us doing some things?

I'm not an expert but given that i keep reading that the EU wouldn't have allowed the rivers and beaches to be pumped full of shit I'll take a wild punt that the EU stopped you pumping your rivers and beaches full of shit?

Frankly, i left the UK a while ago and don't plan to come back for a variety of reasons. But i do go swimming in 2 different lakes and a river close to where i live (in 2 different countries because of geography) and none of them has shit in them. EU rules, apparently.

Brefugee · 29/08/2023 14:57

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 14:29

The EU did help us bring in paid maternity leave, annual leave entitlement, working hours limits, environmental standards etc.

Woke snowflake bullshit.

woke to want paid maternity leave?
ok.

Notonthestairs · 29/08/2023 14:59

Gove told MPs that the opportunity for ministers to set different standards to those enforced by the bloc would “unquestionably” lead to tougher regulations being introduced, claiming that many “pro-leave” politicians took their stance in the 2016 referendum partly due to the appeal of setting stricter controls than the EU.
www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/michael-gove-vows-to-safeguard-environmental-standards-post-brexit/

So Gove suggested Brexit was about introducing tougher restrictions, not lowering standards.

Notonthestairs · 29/08/2023 15:09

Of course we didn't need to Brexit to introduce tougher restrictions or reinforce existing ones. We were able to introduce & monitor them ourselves at any time.
So it was always BS.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2023 15:23

Brefugee · 29/08/2023 14:57

woke to want paid maternity leave?
ok.

Why do housewives need maternity leave. We managed fine in the 50s before all this womens lib nonsense.

I am quite happy to piss away my rights as long as I can take some elses with me.

DinnaeFashYersel · 29/08/2023 15:26

The EU did help us bring in paid maternity leave, annual leave entitlement, working hours limits, environmental standards etc

Labour Governments brought these things in.

The EU helped stop the Tories rowing them back.