Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

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Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

well, that strategy appears to be "fuck all" judging by the results.

Support it. The air in a lot of South London is disgusting. The levels of pollution in classrooms is a real eye opener!

Or is the person correct and had studied the manifesto etc

But all those LTNs and planters should have improved the air…oh I forgot air moves.

It wouldn’t.

But it’s worked in Inner London. It will work in Outer London

Manifesto = reduce knife crime and be tough on it. To all these suddenly educated people, how is that going? Lmao, gullible dolls.

or the physically weak that hard working society has to now pay double to fund.

You’re nice

I don't think they are many who disagree in principle. Who wouldn't want clean air?
But, people still have to run businesses and some people rely on their car as no other viable option and they can't afford to upgrade.
Doesn't affect me personally as have a lovely new hybrid car. But loads of friends who run business just can't afford to replace vans and the scrappage scheme doesn't cover it. This is coming as we're in a living costs crisis and just after covid. People are skint.
Friends with businesses seem to have come up with the solution of adding the ULEZ charge to the bill for any work, so basically anybody employing a tradesperson will be paying their ULEZ charge for them. This doesn't take the polluting vehicles off the road, but it does put costs up for everybody.
It has been forced through too fast without consideration of those badly affected by it.

I could sell my 2015 car now deemed “non compliant” but I’ll end up in the same situation in a few years when the aim is to ban all petrol cars by 2030 and hybrid cars by 2035. It will be interesting to see what happens between now and then.

Yes. It's time the Southerner's paid for something rather than us Northerner's paying through the nose and getting no local investment.

You do realise this will be rolled out everywhere once they see the revenue flooding in.

I agree, I am always shocked by how people talk about him.

Given this information, I'd happily place far more draconian restrictions upon all cars:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show

Grant Shapps apparently actually suggested ULEZ as a source of funding for TFL. Make of that what you will.

Apparently ULEZ will be a major attack line against Labour in the next election. Round my way they reckon ULEZ is communism, and they all vote Conservative so reckon it should make bigger all difference. The actual point, of reducing emissions and improving human health is lost.

As a concept - yes. As to the way it's been handled by the Mayor and City Hall, no. The terms offered to residents of the outer London boroughs were significantly worse than those offered to Inner London when the orginal scheme started which, given the godawful relationship between the outer London boroughs and the Mayor (and before him the GLC) it was a disaster waiting to happen.

They have improved the terms now as I understand it, but I think Labour will pay the price when the next mayoral election comes around.

Why do you think the air quality in London has never been better? Highly likely that it's because of the existing ULEZ.
I live on the borders, just inside the old ULEZ, my car is compliant ( 2005 petrol car) and we had plenty of warning to organise ourselves with compliant cars.
I think the issue with the new ULEZ is that there wasn't enough of a run-in for people to get ready, and it is coinciding with the CoL increase, which together in the huge increase in used car prices in the last few years mean that it will be very hard for people to replace their old cars for compliant ones.

I have some issues with a daily charge rather than a ban: either the vehicles are safe , or they or not- paying money doesn't change the effect on air quality. If a vehicle is too polluting, then it shouldn't be allowed .

I have issues with Sadiq Khan too, but I do think he s genuine about this. HoweverI think the implementation of LTNS has made the traffic much, much worse in the areas around the North Circular Road , and we are feeling the impact of that with much longer commute times whether we travel by bus or car, which in turn affects the pollution levels. I'll be interested to see if the new ULEZ has any effect on that - the pollution on the NorthCircular ( which is a residential road) is horrendous, so if any of that can be minimised, it will be a good thing. It's a shame that with proper planning both the new ULEZ and the LTNs could have worked so much better.

There are occasions when someone really does need to drive in, so a mechanism needs to be in place to allow that.

If they’re as bothered about air quality as they claim, why haven’t they banned wood burners before implementing this?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/16/home-wood-burning-biggest-cause-particle-pollution-fires

The intention is to stop sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030 and new hybrid cars by 2035.

Not to ban the existing ones.

I support it because my kids and I have asthma. I'm horribly selfish like that our car is 15 years old and is compliant. If your car is old and non compliant I have sympathy. If it's five years old and non compliant as one poster said then you should have made better choices for your kids future before these measures forced you to. Sorry

They have brought in strict new measures on the type of wood that can be burned. Everyone ignores it round my way though so it does need to be monitored better

But Downe village is minutes from some very busy roads. The people who live there do leave! Then they pollute. Then in the summer when Christmas Tree Farm is very busy the roads will be full of cars some of which are very polluting.
This is so bizarre - you think because where you live is rural then you somehow don't pollute.
Say you shop at the Sainsburys in Locksbottom - well all around there has masses of traffic and often big queues. Do you not add to the pollution there because you live in rural Downe? What about the traffic around Hayes? Or down to Orpington and Chislehurst? Look at the car park at Princess Royal! Always full.
What about the road down to the M25 - all the roundabouts where traffic is constantly stopping and gets really backed up. Do you think Downe is in some bubble?
Bromley Council is hugely pro car. Rumour has it that the only speed bumps are where the council leader lives. There are no 20 limits. Where my kids go to school is a real rat run - and the council have done nothing.

Downe is not 'incredibly rural'. We go to Downe a lot (usually on the bus). It's 20 minutes from Bromley. I'm from an actual rural area (I'm there at the moment) where you look at your calendar, not your watch, to get the bus. Love it when Bromleyites pretend they live in the countryside.

https://tfl.gov.uk/bus/timetable/146/?fromId=490001036D&direction=outbound

And anyway, you can still have a 4x4! Just get a petrol one. If you live in greater London and didn't engage your brain before buying a load of new cars then it's your own look out. Personally I'm pissed off Bromley have spent loads of money on the court challenge. They'd rather do that than invest in public services.

@Fifireee agreed, when you cross from Lewisham to Bromley the speed limits change from 20 to 30. On the same road. Bromley would rather kill people. I carry on doing 20 on principle.

@SoupDragon it does effect me! With lovely clean air! Sorry it might have sounded like we live outside the zone already. We're on the border of the existing zone, in the new zone. Delighted.

It has not 'only just been announced'. Here's a press release from 2017. It's actually 2 years delayed from that (2021 was the original date for expansion across greater London). It was a Boris Johnson policy when he was mayor.

tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2017/april/gla---mayor-plans-to-introduce-ulez-in-april-2019

no, it doesn't affect you.